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    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    I still managed to spend 76K a month on average
    I don't want to get into a pissing contest but this sounds like an accurate figure to me and I don't give the in laws any money.

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    finding a 'pretty girl' in Thailand is as simple as falling off a log.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    housekeeper, gardener, pool cleaner
    blimey, a nice expat lifestyle

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    You should have a look on ThaiLoveLinks.com mate, then you can narrow down every detail of your dream girl and pick from the bevy of available beauties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    but just the household costs per month (housekeeper, gardener, pool cleaner, electricity, etc.)
    You do realise how this reads don't you? And the OP is arrogant???

    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    don't make blanket assumptions based on your own frugal lifestyle choice.
    You do realise how this reads don't you? And the OP is arrogant???



    As folks have stated, how long is a piece of string.

    Let's look at basic costs:
    4 bed house with garden and off street parking -10k
    utility costs - 2k
    new car, finance payment - 10k
    petrol gas (work and travel) - 3k
    food for 2 or 3 people - 4k (could be under 1 k or over 100k...)
    general cloths/stuff - 2k
    going out once a weex (x4) - 4k
    other stuff that pops up - 2k
    extra other stuff that pops up - 3k

    I think you can live comfortably here, renting a nice house, buying a car, for 40k.

    I'd say that 60k is sensible.

    But, how long is a piece of string???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    You do realise how this reads don't you? And the OP is arrogant???
    Arrogant? Are you kidding? Try reading entire posts before you respond to them, BB, instead of cherry picking parts to critique.

    I wrote (and I guess I'll have to write it again as you missed it the first time) that saying anyone who needs to spend more than 30K in Thailand is either spending it on school fees or in support of his wife's family is ridiculous- it's not too difficult to live a lifestyle that will cost considerably more than that just for basic living expenses, and I used my own as an example (which two other posters immediately supported with their own anecdotal evidence).

    The only one being 'arrogant' here is you taking shots from your high horse- 30K is absolutely living a frugal lifestyle (it's 25% below what even you consider the minimum for 'comfortable', and half what you consider 'sensible')- it looks like you actually agree with me.
    There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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    ^ I read it/them all, then cut the specific bit I wanted to comment on. That's normal forum protocol.

    30k a month is what many folks live on; not some, not a few, but tens of millions, the vast majority of folks who live in the country... Your 'pool cleaner', 'gardener' and 'housekeeper' are luxuries, you do realise that don't you???

    I don't agree with you (I very rarely agree with you; you're a bloody Yank for fuks sake...); 25% of the example costs I outlined were for a new car - I don't think most people factor that in to basic living costs.

    Now, you're a business owner and you live well, but you are at, like many/most on this board a higher level than the average. 30k per month is not frugal, to suggest so is arrogant. Many expats here, I don't know the numbers but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a decent %, live on 30k or thereabouts per month. You may not want to, and I don't want to either, but many do, and live well on it - as they have already told you, but being a Yank who always knows better, naturally..., you don't believe the poster(s) that say so and decide to force your opinions onto them instead; when are you going to carpet bomb their 30k per month houses in the name of 'democracy'???

    Silly American, the more time I spend here the more I dislike the majority of them; I'm sure they're very nice in America, but they rarely travel well...

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    t's not too difficult to live a lifestyle that will cost considerably more than that that just for basic living expenses, and I used my own as an example (which two other posters immediately supported with their own anecdotal evidence)
    Hiring someone to clean your pool - having a pool, in fact - is not, in any known dialect of English, covered by 'basic living expenses'.
    30K is absolutely living a frugal lifestyle
    That's got to be at least double the average wage. I don't think that's really covered by 'frugal'.

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    ^^

    I very rarely agree with you because you're often a prick- your nationality has nothing to do with it- you have this over-riding disdain for anyone who has more than two baht in his pocket (even though you of course love to toss out the tidbits about when you were a high-flying businessman and you lost it all or gave it all away, and now anyone else that works toward a financial goal is a fool).

    I don't consider my staff 'luxuries'- many people all over the world (even those who are in the middle-class) who have a piece of property have housekeepers a couple days a week, as well as gardeners and pool cleaners- they perform a service I either don't want to do or can't do (especially the gardening) myself.

    I'm working on the assumption that most Westerners are trying to live a somewhat Western lifestyle (which I did mention in an earlier post)- that's very difficult to do on 30K per month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan
    That's got to be at least double the average wage. I don't that's really covered by 'frugal'.
    It is if you want to live a Western lifestyle in Thailand, hence my posting this earlier:

    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    I came here to do business and hopefully to continue living the Western lifestyle I was used to- that's a bit more expensive than living a Thai lifestyle (though there are plenty of happy Westerners doing just that- many of them lead a less stressful life than I do, and I sometimes envy them)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    ^ but being a Yank who always knows better, naturally..., you don't believe the poster(s) that say so and decide to force your opinions onto them instead; when are you going to carpet bomb their 30k per month houses in the name of 'democracy'???

    Silly American, the more time I spend here the more I dislike the majority of them; I'm sure they're very nice in America, but they rarely travel well...
    Wow! Bit grumpy today, Boo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    30k per month is not frugal, to suggest so is arrogant.
    Is it arrogant (or at least wrong) to suggest that anyone spending more than that must be supporting his wife's family? You spend more than that- are you supporting your wife's family? I spend more than that, and I'm not.

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    I'm working on the assumption that most Westerners are trying to live a somewhat Western lifestyle (which I did mention in an earlier post)- that's very difficult to do on 30K per month.
    Maybe, but then they wouldn't be just spending on 'basic living expenses'. You can't have it both ways. You're saying you enjoy a certain level of luxury and that costs money. Yes, of course it does. But you don't then get to claim that it's just normal expenses you can't do without.
    I don't consider my staff 'luxuries'
    Then you'd be wrong because that's exactly what they are.
    Last edited by Dan; 12-02-2012 at 02:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    I don't consider my staff 'luxuries'
    You fukin arrogant bastard... It'd be funny if you were on a wind up, but you aren't...

    So you don't want to or "can't" perform housekeeping, gardening or pool cleaning "services" yourself. Would it be too frugal of you?

    Your last assumption is typical Yank, and why so many people hate you fukers... I know, I know, we should all aspire to living an American lifestyle with a few Mexicans cutting our lawn and maybe a Negro or two providing "housekeeping services", to do otherwise would be both frugal and unAmerican/undemocratic... Fukwit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    Let's look at basic costs: 4 bed house with garden and off street parking -10k utility costs - 2k new car, finance payment - 10k petrol gas (work and travel) - 3k food for 2 or 3 people - 4k (could be under 1 k or over 100k...) general cloths/stuff - 2k going out once a weex (x4) - 4k other stuff that pops up - 2k extra other stuff that pops up - 3k
    no need to pay 10k for a house if you have bought it
    no need for a new car if you have bought an old one for cash
    going out once a week! might as well live in London

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    Wow! Bit grumpy today, Boo.
    I don't include you in that group, Davis because:

    1) you have many large guns and know how to use them.
    2) you're a decent and reasonable bloke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    Your last assumption is typical Yank, and why so many people hate you fukers... I know, I know, we should all aspire to living an American lifestyle with a few Mexicans cutting our lawn and maybe a Negro or two providing "housekeeping services", to do otherwise would be both frugal and unAmerican/undemocratic... Fukwit.
    Wow- like I said earlier I knew you were a prick, but you're really showing your ass on this thread- nicely done.

    Most of the people I know living in big houses with many staff in Thailand are British... Fuckwit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    Most of the people I know living in big houses with many staff in Thailand are British... Fuckwit
    Yeah but to be honest they travel even worse than the Americans. 99% of the fuckers should never be given passports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    Is it arrogant (or at least wrong) to suggest that anyone spending more than that must be supporting his wife's family? You spend more than that- are you supporting your wife's family?
    ???

    This is your waffle, nobody else is talking about 'must be supporting a wife's family'. I pay for meself, the missus and her mother who lives with us (she provides excellent 'household services' at zero cost...).

    People anywhere in the world support their families. We are talking about household incomes here, so it is normal to presume the family costs are accounted for (not the extended family, whatever that does and can mean...).

    Bloody stupid American, must be from the West Coast...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    Most of the people I know living in big houses with many staff in Thailand are British
    Are they living a frugal existence or are you desperately changing course now that you must realise that pool cleaners, gardeners and house maids are not basic living costs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan
    Maybe, but then they wouldn't be just spending on 'basic living expenses'. You can't have it both ways. You're saying you enjoy a certain level of luxury and that costs money. Yes, of course it does. But you don't then get to claim that it's just normal expenses you can't do without.
    I would say I spend somewhere around 75K per month, give-or-take (about what Koman and TFP said they spend)- that's to maintain a house (that I own outright), and cover other living expenses (my one real 'luxury' is 6K per month for 10 private Muay Thai sessions- I do spend quite a bit on food as I have a very strict diet that's expensive to maintain in LOS)- I own my cars outright, and I don't have expensive tastes (and least not ones that are indulged often)- I don't consider that very much money to live a 'Western lifestyle' in Thailand- in fact, I would say it's somewhat cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    Wow! Bit grumpy today, Boo.
    I don't include you in that group, Davis because:

    1) you have many large guns and know how to use them.
    2) you're a decent and reasonable bloke.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    a 'Western lifestyle' in Thailand
    You've started to introduce this phrase now, easier, I suppose than just saying you were wrong, 30k p/m to live in Thailand is not frugal and gardeners/pool cleaners and house maids are not basic living costs...

    Basically, I don't give a fuk how much you spend, that's up to you - but to say that Robbo has a frugal lifestyle because he says he lives comfortably on 30k per month is both arrogant and insulting.

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    I don't consider that very much money to live a 'Western lifestyle' in Thailand- in fact, I would say it's somewhat cheap.
    Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I don't know. I don't live that lifestyle so I have no idea. But it's absurd to describe having staff - a fucking pool-cleaner? - as 'basic living expenses' and/or to describe someone living on over twice the average wage as being frugal. It does make you sound arrogant (or worse).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    This is your waffle, nobody else is talking about 'must be supporting a wife's family'. I pay for meself, the missus and her mother who lives with us (she provides excellent 'household services' at zero cost...).
    Jackass, that's why I posted in the first place, in response to this (are you drunk? it's pretty early in the day):

    Quote Originally Posted by robbo
    that is where all the extra money that these guys are on about goes, school fees and handouts to the familly

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    must be from the West Coast...
    I'm from New York, where most middle-class people that own their own homes have at least a gardening service that comes a couple times per week, and many have housekeepers in a day or two as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    are you desperately changing course now
    No, just trying to point out your idiocy, but you're doing such a good job of that yourself that I shouldn't have bothered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan
    But it's absurd to describe having staff - a fucking pool-cleaner? - as 'basic living expenses'
    I consider having at least a housekeeper and gardener (and pool cleaner if you have a pool) as necessities in a home where both householders work (as my wife and I do) if they can afford it- yes, you can live without them.

    If you consider that 'arrogant' that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but I don't agree with it.

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