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    Have you had any experience with,

    Bangkok Bank makes it easy for you to invest in equities, bonds and money markets. You'll have easy access to your funds at all branches nationwide (excluding microbranches) and when you redeem the units, you'll get your money the next working day (only for a Bangkok Bank account)
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    Been with their Top Ten Fund for years, excellent results and never a ploplem with withdrawals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keda View Post
    Been with their Top Ten Fund for years, excellent results and never a ploplem with withdrawals.
    Thanks but,

    I can't find performance etc. data?

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    Fund prices are updated daily, and with archives.

    http://www.bangkokbank.com/Bangkok+B...es/Default.htm

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    Unhappy I tried, am I doing something wrong, THANKS

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    Unhappy I tried, am I doing something wrong, THANKS

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    Unhappy I tried, am I doing something wrong, THANKS

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    Was playing up this morning for a couple of hours...ok now, hope it helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phomsanuk View Post
    Bangkok Bank makes it easy for you to invest in equities, bonds and money markets. You'll have easy access to your funds at all branches nationwide (excluding microbranches) and when you redeem the units, you'll get your money the next working day (only for a Bangkok Bank account)
    I think all banks do that here, hardly something new

    their funds performance do not reward you enough for some of the extra risk they take, might as well buy the SET index fund

    and they have high management fee for basically doing fuck all, and not to forget the redemption fee in some of their funds

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    Quote Originally Posted by phomsanuk View Post
    Bangkok Bank makes it easy for you to invest in equities, bonds and money markets. You'll have easy access to your funds at all branches nationwide (excluding microbranches) and when you redeem the units, you'll get your money the next working day (only for a Bangkok Bank account)
    I think all banks do that here, hardly something new

    their funds performance do not reward you enough for some of the extra risk they take, might as well buy the SET index fund

    and they have high management fee for basically doing fuck all, and not to forget the redemption fee in some of their funds
    I agree, now how do I buy the index fund PLEASE?

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    ETFs in USD are available, probably also in local currency here

    you will need to research them on Bloomberg or SET website

    Ask your Thai broker, they might offer some too, even your bank might offer them

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=SET100:IND

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phomsanuk View Post
    Bangkok Bank makes it easy for you to invest in equities, bonds and money markets. You'll have easy access to your funds at all branches nationwide (excluding microbranches) and when you redeem the units, you'll get your money the next working day (only for a Bangkok Bank account)
    I think all banks do that here, hardly something new

    their funds performance do not reward you enough for some of the extra risk they take, might as well buy the SET index fund

    and they have high management fee for basically doing fuck all, and not to forget the redemption fee in some of their funds
    Bualuang Top Ten is outperforming SET by 36.39% and 25% this year, down from 76.82%. Considering SET has soared by some 40%, that's good in my book but obviously peanuts on your expected investment returns.

    Buttfrier, why don't you shut your eyes and type at random, to give yourself a better chance at accuracy.

    And don't forget to PM me when gold reaches $500, I'll be right in there with a shovel.

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    keda is your typical sucker, buy gold or dotcom at the top, and then come selling when everything is rock bottom

    I doubt they are outperforming anything with the level of risk they are probably taking

    for example I could claim 100% return, without disclosing my risk exposure. That would look good of course for the typical amateur like yourself, but after risk analysis you would realize that I was expected to return 150% not 100%, so at the end I am underperforming.

    Got it ? or you need pictures ?

    anyway, see yourself, it has hardly outperformed other Thai funds out there, it's a lagger and a risky one on the top of that. Highly concentrated on 10 stocks, using leverage and debt to "boost" returns.

    Perfect for idiot Thai and sucker like you, keda. Is that where you put all your council money ?

    performance over 3 years, quite lame
    http://www.bangkokbank.com/Bangkok%2...s/Default.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    keda is your typical sucker, buy gold or dotcom at the top, and then come selling when everything is rock bottom
    You can't live it down that this sucker was buying Krugerrands at £40-50, or that each time you say gold will become worthless it reaches new heights. You still can't figure that the long term trend has been - and is, up, not to $500.

    So this sucker advises you, when gold reaches your patiently awaited target of worthless, gissa call and we'll both rake it in.


    I doubt they are outperforming anything with the level of risk they are probably taking

    for example I could claim 100% return, without disclosing my risk exposure. That would look good of course for the typical amateur like yourself, but after risk analysis you would realize that I was expected to return 150% not 100%, so at the end I am underperforming.

    Got it ? or you need pictures ?
    I'm stating simple facts, and the TTF is compatible with my own trading. If it isn't compatible with your super strategies then I suggest you give it a miss. Meanwhile, you can doubt all you wish but the numbers say different, and ftr I never claimed the TTF is the best thing since gay Frogs, so keep thumping away on that...whatever keeps you off the street.

    As for exposure, mine is limited to the downside on a single day. Beyond that, Bualuang's TTF has since I entered in 2002/3 outperformed the SET, though that probably means nothing to someone like you who prefers long words over cold hard facts.

    So yep, looks like it'll have to be pictures because your words make no sense at all, but that's no surprise either.


    anyway, see yourself, it has hardly outperformed other Thai funds out there, it's a lagger and a risky one on the top of that. Highly concentrated on 10 stocks, using leverage and debt to "boost" returns.

    Perfect for idiot Thai and sucker like you, keda. Is that where you put all your council money ?
    I shall keep that in mind when I next withdraw some council money.

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    Sorry, I didn't mean to start a range war, only to try to find a way to help finance my long term stay here and thought making money by investing in the same economy your spending in might be a solution.
    Another question: can these funds be sold to meet the 800000 yearly and then repurchased economically? I understand the Thai don't, like property, find them acceptable.

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    No ploplem about the spat, buttfrier has several going but don't mind him he's a self-confessed basket case.

    Not sure about the other funds but TTF has no fee on entry and a 1% fee payable on redemption, whether part or full. The others look much the same.

    Not sure about now, but years back you would have to open an investment account at the Silom HO of BBL, which could be fully serviced from any other branch. I had a major spat at my Pty branch when they tried to charge me for transferring funds from here to my Bkk Fund account, arguing that they were eventually going to get 1% on redemption anyway. They didn't like that, because branches compete in ripping off their customers, but a call to HO resolved it in my favour when I offered to make everyone's life easier by cancelling the transfer.

    All trades are completed at the end of the trading day, so whether you buy or sell, it will be at an unknown price which is determined at the end of that day's session. That's not a problem, because you will have a fair idea of the final price anyway.

    The units are traded to 4 decimal places. You can buy in either number of units or a baht value, and also sell part or all of your holding in number of units or baht value. For example, if you want to sell for 500k, it could involve some odd amount like 32126.1493 units, and if you want to buy 50,000 units it could you cost you something odd like 859,823.5174 baht.

    To buy, get the money into your Fund account (I think before 4pm), and anything you redeem will be available as cleared funds in your nominated account the following day.

    That's how it works.

    Immigration will not accept your Fund book or broker statement or certificate as proof of funds. They want to see hard cash in the bank.

    With the exception of 2004/5 after SETs record year, and the 2008 crunch when I on 100% cash, I've been in and out of TTF from years back and happy with the overall result. But I'm not recommending it or anything else. I happened to enter at the bottom when I was new here and SET was almost predictably bouncing up and down within 270-320, and I also happened to cash in before both major corrections.

    I bought in for an interest, in as you say my spending economy, and it also suited me to balance my own early SET trading with locals managing some of my funds, because one thing I learned early on was that SET is nothing like what I was used to back home in the UK. In other words, at that time the TTF was like my training wheels.

    Other thoughts: SET is very volatile and no less corrupt than the rest of the country, so if you're used to investing in the West do not assume you can follow the same strategies.

    If you are interested in any of those funds, do your own DD. If you do enter, keep your eye on your investment because SET is quite high and though I reckon on a healthy December rally not everything looks rosy for next year.

    And of course, don't invest more than you can comfortably afford to lose.

    Hope this helps.

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