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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangkok University Research Institute
    Bangkok Poll: Laborers want higher wages
    You don't say .......................


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    Christ I hope they don't get paid for that

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    Abhisit to announce wage-hike plan today

    Abhisit to announce wage-hike plan today

    By The Nation on Sunday
    Published on May 1, 2011


    Bhum Jai Thai vows to cut VAT from 7% to 5%

    Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva will announce a policy today to boost minimum wages by 25 per cent over the next two years, if his party is re-elected to office.

    The pledge will be made during a speech he will give to mark Labour Day.

    A 25-per-cent hike would mean the minimum wage in Bangkok would rise to more than Bt250 per day from the current Bt216.

    "The premier has ordered Labour Minister Chalermchai Sri-on to inform the tripartite central committee on wages to implement this policy at their next meeting," said Buranat Samutarak, the Democrat Party spokesman.

    The party yesterday reassured that Abhisit would dissolve the House of Representatives by the end of next week and that an election would be held by the end of June.

    Besides the wage hike pledge, Korbsak Sabhavasu, the Democrat Party's top campaign official, will today unveil more details of the party's economic platform for the election.

    "He will talk about the details at the Reporters' Association of Thailand, covering the guidelines to help businesses and industries lower their costs, tax reform, measures and incentives to support the wage hike," the spokesman said.

    In addition, the premier will today visit construction sites of mass-transit projects in Bangkok. The Democrats also plan to boost farmers' income by 25 per cent through crop-price guarantee schemes.

    The party will also pledge a new interest rate and tax breaks for first home-buyers.

    Meanwhile, Bhum Jai Thai Party, a key partner of the Abhisit coalition government, has proposed to cut the current 7 per cent value-added tax (VAT) to 5 per cent as one of its key policies for the upcoming election.

    Chaovarat Chanweerakul, the party leader and interior minister, said Bhum Jai Thai expected to win 60-70 House seats in the upcoming poll.

    "Our proposal to reduce VAT by two percentage points is the major selling point in this election. The tax cut will make the prices of goods cheaper for consumers," Chaovarat said.

    Prime Minister Abhisit was expected to dissolve the House of Representatives on May 6, Chaovarat said.

    The election would have to be held within 45 days after that, according to electoral laws.

    He said the party would unveil its MP candidates after the House was dissolved. Over the past two years, Bhum Jai Thai has controlled key ministries, including Interior, Commerce and Transport.

    The opposition Pheu Thai Party, meanwhile, said if it wins the next election it will raise the minimum wage to Bt300 per day and guarantee that fresh college graduates will get a minimum monthly salary of Bt15,000.

    In addition, Pheu Thai says it would switch back to using crop-pledging schemes to boost farmers' income.

    Chart Pattana Puea Pandin Party also said former deputy commerce minister Goanpot Asvinvichit would lead its economic management team.

    The team includes former assistant to Thammasat University rector Montri Thirakotai and Pirom Chantaworn, former dean of Thammasat University's Faculty of Economics.

    Goanpot said the party's economic policies would emphasise social stability, people's wealth and a sustainable economy. It would promote sportsmanship and unity of people as well as tourism, agriculture and education.

    The party will also grant scholarships for master's and doctoral programmes, while further boosting Thai exports and implementing measures to boost farm prices.

    Among its MP candidates are Paradorn Srichaphan, the former tennis rstar, and Olympic medallist Yaowapa Burapolchai.
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    PM accepts nine-point list of demands submitted by workers

    PM accepts nine-point list of demands submitted by workers

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    BANGKOK, May 1 -- Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva on Labour Day accepted a nine-point list of demands, including a fair wage increase in all fields of works and a ratification of International Labour Organization (ILO) Convention, submitted by worker representatives for consideration.

    The acceptance was made while Mr Abhisit attended a Labour Day fair held near the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration headquarters in central Bangkok.

    Other key demands called for the government to set up a fund to help workers who were laid off without compensation when their firms closed, imposition of tight government control on prices of goods and to punish violators, and an abolition of privatisation of state enterprises.

    The workers urged the government for tax relief, and for a child care as well as mother breast milk centres to be established.

    Responding to workers’ demands, Mr Abhisit said his government is now moving to make several labour related laws to become enforced, especially on an establishment of child care centres.

    He pledged that workers’ minimum wage would rise 25 per cent within the next two years and the government would put forth effort to controlling goods prices which have risen sharply during recent months. (MCOT online news)

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    Bangkok Post : Govt to raise minimum wage in 1 month

    Govt to raise minimum wage in 1 monthThe government is now considering to increase the daily minimum wage of workers to have it in line with rising cost of living and the process will complete in one month, the prime minister said.

    Prime Minister said this at his “Confidence in Thailand with PM Abhisit” weekly programme on NBT on Sunday morning.


    Mr Abhisit said his government has introduced a main policy to give importance to workers over the past two year with the aim at improving their living standards.


    He said the cabinet had lately agreed to raise daily wage of skilled workers by between 200 to 500 baht, depending on their skills. He added that the government has pushed forward the law to bring the outside system workers to become members eligible to gain benefits from the social welfare system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Minimum wage to increase by April 2011 : National News Bureau of Thailand

    Minimum wage to increase by April 2011

    BANGKOK, 16 August 2010 (NNT) – The Government has targeted the new minimum wage to affect the low-income Thai workers by April 2011.

    According to Deputy Government Spokesperson Watchara Kanikar, the Cabinet on Monday agreed to adjust the minimum wage payment for Thai workers to an average 250 THB per day, as proposed by the Ministry of Labor.
    Well April 2011 has come and gone. No minimum wage of 250 THB / day

    But hey, Happy Labour Day (oh sorry they didn't get the statutory day off either, or the statutory overtime for working on the holiday..)

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    Both parties are making promises they can't keep. It's a shame the electorate doesn't realize that more than higher wages are needed to improve things.

    The crap education system doesn't turn out skilled individuals. Cambodian street kids speak better english than Thai uni graduates. Tech school students are mainly focused on killing each other.

    So Thailand is forced to compete with poorer countries due to it's largely unskilled workforce.

    We emloy 20 women, general they are hardworking, but don't like to take responsibility, they prefer repetive work where they don't have to think.

    Thai men are another story, I only employ them when necessary. Those that aren't lazy are experts on everything and refuse to listen. 'Tradesmen' can do everything except read a plan or make a list.

    There is a labor shortage, many employers are turning to foreign labor, not just because it's cheap.

    The women really keep this place moving. It would be interesting to know just how much money foreign men with Thai birds bring in or send over.

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    Tried to "green" you for that - good to get real-life observation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buksida
    The crap education system doesn't turn out skilled individuals. Cambodian street kids speak better english than Thai uni graduates.
    Only anecdotal, but echoes my own experience. Karen hill-tribe missionary-educated friend of mine learned good English and acquired good computing/office skills pretty much self-taught. Was interviewed for a job with a property sales/rental office and competed with 20 CMU graduates with impressive CVs. Friend got the job on the spot - after the employer had already interviewed over a dozen of the graduates. Not one knew the first thing about office work and several had asked about who they would be in charge of to tell them what to do.

    Frankly, the idea that any of the CMU applicants rated 15k as a starting salary is beyond fantastic. But, more or less as you say, both main parties are offering the earth - and Thaksin's response to the Dems' bid is to throw in the moon as well. I suspect it'll work well enough in terms of vote-garnering.
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    Maybe this is the start of party's coming up with policies in order to get votes, let's see. Problem is Thais have a problem seeing past cash.

    It's interesting your freind got a job, hill tribes are hard working than thais, but there is a lot of prejudice. Was the boss a farang?

    Poor thais have to be resourceful, the hi-sos who haven't been educated overseas are the dumbest, shallowest ppl I've met.

    Thais aspire to uni education mostly for status. IMO the country needs skilled laborers and technical ppl, but this physical work is really looked down upon.

    They could also consider giving some farang more permanent status, but Thais are unique, a foreigner knows nothing about the place and will never be consulted for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buksida
    Was the boss a farang?
    Yes - Swiss. Karen friend graduated from Rachamankala University in CM (not prestigious - regarded as a kind of polytechnic if you recognise the Brit term). BTW, not to beat any drum here, but he could only do that with serious financial assistance from a scholarship scheme - initiated by a certain Mr T's government.

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    Interesting post (and the one before about not hiring thai men).

    Quote Originally Posted by Buksida View Post
    Poor thais have to be resourceful, the hi-sos who haven't been educated overseas are the dumbest, shallowest ppl I've met.

    Thais aspire to uni education mostly for status.
    Very true isn't it..

    Quote Originally Posted by Buksida View Post

    IMO the country needs skilled laborers and technical ppl, but this physical work is really looked down upon.

    They could also consider giving some farang more permanent status, but Thais are unique, a foreigner knows nothing about the place and will never be consulted for anything.
    I think you've answered the main thesis in those last two sentences. Thailand trades off its low-wage environment but is competing with China and India - so it's unsustainable. Allowing farang more liberal rights to abode would result in farang competing with the hi-so's that never went to uni abroad and as you noted they are shallow and dumb as shit. They open businesses without a businessplan financed with their chinese grandfather's ill-gotten gains through decades of dirty little deals.

    Even the really big thai-chinese family businesses out there (CP, Central, etc) are successful only because they have no competition - and because they copy Western business models. In Central's case this is right down to the type of font used in the John Lewis chain. They buy the franchises like Black Canyon, KFC, Swensens, etc. There are rare exceptions like See Fah and a few others.

    Generally, you're absolutely right, Thailand needs to move toward a skilled and better educated workforce. But since the people with money in this country don't have a clue about doing anything other than copying other countries' ideas, what good would it do? Innovation is required first, then skilled workers to make it thrive. Thailand has neither and little sign of it emerging given the semi-feudal nature of the place and the concentration of capital in the hands of those without a clue. The King has tried to give examples of innovation, with many projects endorsed. It's a shame the rest of the wealthy establishment can't or won't follow suit.

    My own sense is that Thailand will need to shift its tourism industry to attract chinese tousists on a much larger scale and then allow large foreign agri-companies to come in and create massive super farms. The latter would of course disenfranchise the poor subsistance people in Issan and would make the restive social divide between north and central even worse.

    But Thailand is not going to become South Korea anytime soon.
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    While I'm not one for thr amart conspiracy theories, it's been suggested that the rich see no point in improving the education system because their kids go to school OS and have a distinct advantage.

    It's true thakki gave scholarships and tried to instill a work ethic (normal for chinese, but not Thais). There has been a lot of talk about reforming education, but the problem is too big for any govt. Schhols are corrupt, this is where the kids learn that hypocrisy is a normal part of life.

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    I think it's more to do with the patron-client system and that does indeed start at school level in the private Thai school system. Parents send their kids to big name private Thai schools not to get a better education but to make life-long contacts with other thai and chinese-thai merchant class and establishment (amart) families. The middle and upper-middle classes have no business plan other than that. Their kids will become merchants and they will hire working class peasants that they can pay peanuts to ensure the comfortable lifestyle continues. I really think that's the beginning and the end of it.

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    ^I don't think everything that happens here boils down to class struggle.

    Despite what many Thais think, historically things have not been that hard. food has been plentiful and you can get by with simple shelters.

    Thais can't plan because it's never been necessary. In countries with cold winters, planning has been the difference between life or death.

    The success of the Chineses has a lot to do with their work ethic and ability to save.

    It's true poor Thais have had enough and are demanding more, but many have unrealistic expectations of how this will be achieved. I often get asked about the welfare system at home, the idea od free schooling health etc has a lot of apppeal, until you tell them this means high taxes and little corruption - something that will never happen here.

    Go to any part of the country, look for a family where all adults are working and kids are in school, you will see they are doing OK.

    Truth is a lot of Thais do not like work, especially if it's hard. There are plenty of jobs and plenty who chose not to take them but to sit around knowing that other family members will take care of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buksida View Post
    Truth is a lot of Thais do not like work, especially if it's hard. There are plenty of jobs and plenty who chose not to take them but to sit around knowing that other family members will take care of them.
    Truth is a lot of Thai (e.g. the vast majority) have an unrealistically low salary scale to face. It's around 6,000-8,000 THB for unskilled workers and 8,000-10,000 for high school graduates. Finish University and you might get 12k or up to 15k in lower management.

    Hard to get motivated. If you're starving yes. But if all you're going to get by busting your ass is a little bit more - with no hope of ever moving into a more comfortable lifestyle, what's the point? I'm not defending this choice or reasoning. But it's the reality of a rigged system.

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    The basic problem is the Thai labor force is largely unskilled and nobody is doing anything about it. Even uni graduates don't know shit.

    The education system reflects the cultural attitude that anything difficult is not worth doing - everyone passes as long as their hair is the right length.

    Don't take my word for it, talk to some farang employers who have tried to motivate staff, provide training, encourage responsibility etc. See how many refuse to employ Thai men, take a look around, the women are doing most of the work.

    We had one mother bring in her 22 yr old son, out of embarrassment I took him on. After two days he hadn't come in and she was back asking if we'd still take him. I said no, not if he can't ask for himself. About to cry she said, "I know, he's useless".

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    As mentioned before, I don't disagree with any of that. But my point is that you need to look at what's causing the malais. It's a rigged system, designed to enrich and ethnic minority merchant class, backed by a fake, invented culture less than 60 years of age. The Thai prai (prole) has been deliberately left uneducated to be a handy low-wage labour pool. The economic growth here has moved beyond this provincial semi-feudal system's ability to respond. Add to that every family with any cash at all sending their uneducated kid to university - and like you say - this is what you get.
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    The Chinese have faced discrimination here as in many other countries. Nonetheless around the world they've managed to do well, because as immigrants they've had to work and save hard. This is normal, there is no conspiracy.

    Thais and Chinese love money, the difference is the Chinese will work for it.

    You can read all the books you want and think you understand it all, but if you were in business it would soon become clear that Thai Chinese will get the job done, properly and on time.

    There are plenty of ppl from Isaan running their own businesses in Bangkok and doing quite well, they are not blaming everything on some Chinese elite secret society.

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    http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255405180003

    FTI: New govt should increase minimum wage




    BANGKOK, 18 May 2011 (NNT) – The Federation of Thai Industries (FTI) has suggested that the new government should adjust the minimum wage up in line with the current situation and take the impact of the increase on entrepreneurs in consideration.

    FTI Vice Chairperson Dr Tanit Sorat stated that the new government should consider increasing the minimum wages reasonably because doing so without considering its impact on the national industrial system will certainly have adverse effect on the industry’s operating cost and exports of products.

    Dr Tanit expressed his opinion that minimum wage hike should be in accordance with the living costs, and that it could be increased every few years in the form of annual income, which should not be lower than the national inflation rate.

    The vice chairperson added that the government should also expedite the regulations to increase wages based on skills and qualifications; therefore, skilled workers’ salaries should be commensurate with their experience and ability.

    Dr Tanit explained that failure to do so could lead to skilled workers migrating to and earning more in neighbouring countries after the establishment of the ASEAN Economic Community in 2015.

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    Doubt over wage hike

    Doubt over wage hike

    By The Nation
    Published on May 24, 2011

    It remains unclear if workers will get a minimum wage hike mid year as previously expected, as the Bangkok Minimum Wage Sub-Committee meeting yesterday were told about affecting factors such as inflation and rising commodity prices.

    Sub-committee member Ammorn Chaowalit said meeting discussed the opinion survey of business operators after the wage hike earlier this year, which showed that them commented about impacts including the inflation rate that was 3.06 per cent increase in Bangkok and 3.27 per cent nation-wide.

    Ammorn said the Bangkok sub-committee didn't propose for a wage hike to the Central Wage Committee's meeting on June 2. Expressing sympathy to all sides affected by commodity price rising, the sub-committee wanted to see the wage rate according to work skills to be in effect from July 28 onwards, before discussing about the minimum wage hike, he added.

    Another sub-committee member Atthayuth Leeyavanija said that employers had complained that the previous hike caused them to pay additional Bt100,000 million in wages and he urged the government to keep the commodity price down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    It remains unclear if workers will get a minimum wage hike mid year as previously expected........
    Thank you, The Notion - that should, of course, read "..... as previously promised" (by none other than the then PM Mark).

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    sorry wage slaves goods are more expensive so you don't get a pay rise .

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    Panel to make decision on wage increase today

    Panel to make decision on wage increase today

    By The Nation
    Published on June 2, 2011


    Labourers nationwide today will be eagerly waiting to find out whether the Wage Tripartite Committee has approved an increase in their minimum wage.

    Labour Minister Chalermchai Srion said yesterday that an increase was possible given the rising cost of living and an increase in the price of daily commodities. "These factors have been supplied to the wage committee for consideration."

    The committee is to start its meeting at 1.30pm and is expected to spend hours discussing the issue.

    Echoing Chalermchai on the rising cost of living, the ministry's permanent secretary Somkiat Chayasriwong cited a study showing that more than 23,000 labourers surveyed were earning Bt20 less daily than they should. As such, they were leading lives that registered in negative numbers on the life quality index, a measure used by statisticians to determine acceptable minimum incomes. The life quality index varies in different parts of the country. It is minusBt25 in Bangkok, minusBt23 in neighbouring provinces, minusBt50.97 in the Central region, minusBt38 in the North and minusBt28 in the South, he said. [Writer says OK to cut this as the numbers are meaningless without an explanation, which was not provide by source.]

    He added that efficiently controlling the price of goods was vital after the increase to daily wages was approved.

    The study collected information on workers dating back to 1988 until last month, based on varying costs of living and inflation, which showed that each worker spent Bt2,015 on food, Bt1,400 on rent, Bt819 on trivial matters and Bt649 on travel per month.

    The average increase in wages should be Bt20, though in Bangkok wages would only rise by Bt11, he said, adding that the increase would be Bt23 in adjacent provinces, Bt35 in the Central, Bt23 in the North, Bt13 in the Northeast and Bt11 in the South.

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    This guy is going to try to live on a Thai budget of 200 baht for a month. Could be interesting to follow.. Living Like a Thai Day 1: The 200 Baht a Day Challenge | Thailand Land of Smiles

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    Bangkok Post : Boost unlikely until after poll

    Boost unlikely until after poll

    Further increases in the minimum wage are not in the pipeline although the present level has failed to keep up with cost of living increases, says the chairman of the wage committee.

    Somkiat Chayasriwong, also permanent secretary of the Labour Ministry, said after the committee met yesterday his panel had ordered its provincial wage subcommittees to study wage increments that would suit their respective provinces.


    Somkiat: Present levels too low

    The subcommittees would propose their respective increases to the wage committee by June 16. Then a technical and scrutiny subcommittee would review their proposals and study possible economic impacts in the provinces if the hikes are implemented.

    The wage committee will consider the wage increments for all of the provinces later this month or early next month and then propose the next average minimum wage increase to the government for its consideration.

    He did not expect the caretaker government to consider the matter in case it was criticised for trying to woo the working class in the lead-up to the July 3 election.

    The present minimum wage stands at 175.82 baht on average.

    But a recent study found that a labourer needs 195.41 baht a day to survive and 211.23 baht a day to enjoy a decent standard of living, Mr Somkiat said.

    The latest minimum wage increase in January brought the rate to 159-221 baht per day depending on the region.

    "A minimum wage increase is a temporary solution. What is sustainable is wages that suit a labourer's skills," Mr Somkiat said.

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