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    Not..... you have a free choice where you chose to work and live, also in big city's infrastructure is better like public transport ect., more services are available within short distances, much bigger choice of leisure activities ect. ect.

    Other Country's have the same debate, people chose a place of work in the city, thus gets the higher wage, but then resides outside the city with lower costs of living, housing ect. So if anything the pay should be regulated not after place of work but place of residence.

    This is an old-fashioned paygrade system and should be abolished, there are pro's and con's with every place you chose to reside in, it must be up to you private to make your choices, but same pay for same work must be the only correct system.


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    Such a large increase will surely be inflationary as the higher cost of labour is passed on to the consumer. So, in the end its not really an increase at all. But certainly a good vote getter for the Dems. I doubt the poorly educated masses will be able to figure out that the price of everything which requires labour to produce will go up accordingly. I guess the Dems are banking on the fact that it will be another year or so before people wake up and figure out that they are no better off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
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    Bangkok rates are usually higher because the cost of living is higher. Logic.
    Not for the rest of planet Earth.

    I'd love to see a new minimum wage of 5 pounds in London, but only two pounds fifty in Newcastle because the cost of living is cheaper... I wonder how that would go down with the locals.

    But you know how things work here, so you know that it is irrelevant.

    The cost of living is considerably higher in Bangkok than elsewhere. I thought everyone knew that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    I'd love to see a new minimum wage of 5 pounds in London, but only two pounds fifty in Newcastle because the cost of living is cheaper
    Fcuk that, 1 quid and 25p per hour is more than enough for those thieving gits, although there always used to be a London allowance, waiting/weighting allowance or something? used to be around 1,500quid per year when I was there, although I have to agree that such a raise for Thais isn't a good idea, gonna be a lot of unemployed labourers etc that will have to take up crime to be able to afford to eat.



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    Sorry SD I have to agree with BB's POV here

    There are major cost of living differances across the UK, I make referance to my home country, yet the minimum wage is a national minimum irrespective of the cost of living.

    If one wishes to look at the delta of minimum wage between provinces in Thailand a cynic may cry "Financial Suppression" or even worse "Ethnic Discrimination" , personaly I am not that cynical myself but I understand how some radicals could be.

    Minimum wage should be applicable country wide and if a potential employee feels it is more benifitial to himself to stay in the provinces than to absorb higher overheads in Bangkok then so be it, when employers need staff the rate will rise above the minimum to compensate. I remember the days of reading vacancies in the Telegraph and seeing an uplift for a London Posting.

    I am not sure which party implemented the staggered minimum wage but the party that abolish it and make it a flat rate country wide would be taking 2-3 steps in the right direction.
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    Exports to other countries will be affected and more jobs will be lost to China. Sad, but in a sense …

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    Clogiron, I see your point, but as DD said, in the UK you get a London weighting or allowance. No difference really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    London weighting or allowance. No difference really.
    Very, very different.

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    does this have an impact on border-hopping Kampuchean farm labour?
    150 per day now, so maybe 160 from next April.

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    http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/loca...250-daily-wage

    Private sector backs B250 daily wage

    The Joint Private Sector Committee on Monday voiced support for Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's idea to increase the daily minimum wage to 250 baht.

    The committee comprises representatives of the Thai Banking Association, Thai Chamber of Commerce and Federation of Thai Industries.

    Dusit Nonthanakhon, president of the Thai Chamber of Commerce and chairman of the Joint Private Sector Committee, said the committee agreed at its meeting on Monday to support Mr Abhisit's idea.

    He said the private sector would hold a meeting on this matter in October. The committee wanted the next wage adjustment to be based on workers' abilities and skills development.

    However, the power to decide this matter rests with the tri-partite wage committee, which is expected to base its decision on economic growth, the inflation rate and employers' ability to pay.

    The present minimum wage ranges from 151 to 206 baht per day, depending on the province.

    Mr Dusit said the private sector was concerned about the baht's continued appreciation because it could affect competitiveness, especially for small and medium enterprises.

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    Okay, progressing.

    The micro and macro economics are, frankly, above us all; nonetheless, if the little folk get a salary increase then good for them. One of the fundamental problems here is the way Bkk controls the country. If any barriers can be set up against the continuation of this then it should be done - a nationwide minimum wage addresses one tiny area, now for regional zones across the nation to encourage manufacturers into poorer regions, rather than more Bkk factories; give the Japs tax incentives to invest in the far reaches of the nation, helping to drive healthy local economies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
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    London weighting or allowance. No difference really.
    Very, very different.
    Reform of benefit system could see introduction of London weighting - UK Politics, UK - The Independent
    Reform of benefit system could see introduction of London weighting

    By Nigel Morris, Deputy Political Editor

    Saturday, 31 July 2010




    Iain Duncan Smith is considering levels of benefit that vary around the country

    Benefit levels could be varied around the country to reflect the cost of living in different regions under plans for a radical revamp of the welfare state.

    Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary, published wide-ranging proposals yesterday in an attempt to simplify the benefit system, including rolling more than 50 allowances into a "universal credit".

    A surprise inclusion was the suggestion that benefit levels could be "localised" between different parts of the country.


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    London weighting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    London weighting is an allowance paid to certain civil servants, teachers, airline employees and policemen in the British capital of London. It is designed to help these workers with the cost of living in London, which is notoriously higher than that of the rest of the United Kingdom.[1] Its purpose is to encourage key workers to stay in London.


    London weighting was introduced for civil servants in 1920 and until 1974 it was set by the London Pay Board. However since 1974 the Greater London Council and later the Mayor of London, in partnership with central government, have been responsible for setting it. In 2002, teachers from across South East England went on strike to try to force London Weighting to be raised.


    As of March 2007, the London weighting is worth between £3,000 and £4,000.


    In some professions, such as teachers, a different level of weighting is applied to Inner London and Outer London.[2][3]

    Since the abolition of the Pay Board no organisation has been responsible for setting London weighting. The GLA carried out an investigation into the issue but did not propose a new figure as such. Currently the amounts paid by employers as London weighting, or London allowance, or in some cases both, vary greatly. Further information is available from pay analysts such as Labour Research Department and Incomes Data Services Ltd.

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    A sample job advert, showing weighting....not a high paid position.

    http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/job/1021298/media-officer/
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    SD, as usual you're flogging a dead horse...

    A minimum wage is a minimum wage, and MUST be national.

    A benefit system is set up for a different purpose entirely and addresses a whole host of areas, one of which may be a local area wage weighting system - indeed the two can work very well together; although artiifially weighting a system to benfit one area over another can have a huge social impact - i.e. driving the smart folk to London and leaving all the thickos up North...

    The two systems are seperate, and must be kept that way. In some situations they may compliment each other, but they are not the same. A brief analogy for you: men and women compiment each other is some situations, both can coexist, but they are very different entities...

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    Why am I flogging a dead horse? The above clearly shows there's a recognised difference in the UK. London weighting exists because capital cities are usually more expensive places to live in. It's logic.

    Even in the UK the talk is of weighting benefits. Most private sector jobs have weighting included.

    Your "brief analogy" is inept and unrelated. Try again.

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    A bit surprised the 500 bht to vote payment has not been lifted ,say 1000 bht ??


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    ^^ nice to see you using your linguistic skills again BB. Why do you feel the need to resort to insults? Why not stick to the point?

    You claim to be an educated man. I've yet to see much evidence of this.

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    ^ Abhisit is an educated man, so is Mugabe and so was... we can go on and on.

    My post has been deleted, and I understand it was a bit too much, so sorry, but frankly, when you just seek a way out by any means rather than saying 'yeah, you might be right', it is very infuriating...

    So, I'll say it nicely:

    A minimum wage is a cross nation situation, it needs to be for many sociological and socio-economic reasons that we can't, and don't need to, discuss here.

    A weighting system is seperate from a minimum wage. It is incorporated by a different sector of government entirely because it has a very different role.

    The two, as in Britain where you are using half the example, work together. Or, it would be truer to say that a minimum wage is supplemented in some parts by an additional local benefit that goes under different names; in London it's called London Weighting.

    Please don't confuse the two; they are clearly distinct from one another.

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    250 baht seems a bit much, most of the cabbages that work in the low pay sector are woth a lot less than that. Fucking useless, they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    250 baht seems a bit much, most of the cabbages that work in the low pay sector are woth a lot less than that. Fucking useless, they are.
    quite right, and lazy bastards too

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
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    That is a massive increase over 2010 minimum wages which are currently from 206 THB / Day in Bangkok down to 151 THB / Day
    Yes, that massive increase will improve the average workers lot by, if they work 7 days a week, nearly 1,300 baht per month; still less than 1 hour work for me - and the Sino-bkk lot earn a lot more than me. Just to put it in perspective.

    In a nation that has a lot of money, it's shameful that so many earn so little, but that's what the Bkk lot are about; amassing all the wealth for their own little group whilst the majority struggle by best they can.
    Yes because Thailand is so different from the rest of the world.....

    Distribution of wealth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    In the United States


    In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation's wealth.[14]

    According to this 2006 study by the Federal Reserve System, from 1989 to 2004, the distribution in the United States had been changing with indications there was a greater concentration of wealth held by the top 10% and top 1% of the population.[1]




    Thailand's shocking inequity statistics

    Thailand's shocking inequity statistics

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    - The top 20% own 69% of the country's assets while the bottom 20% own only 1%.


    Suddenly the distribution of wealth doesn't look quite so bad here....it's even worse in the USA!
    Nice point. As this is the way of the world - always has been. Yet cultural division has driven even deeper and more dramatic over recent years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    ...Yet cultural division has driven even deeper and more dramatic over recent years.

    But yet the leadership of both factions seems to be from the same cultural elite. How do you explain the divisons in term of culture then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaihome
    But yet the leadership of both factions seems to be from the same cultural elite. How do you explain the divisons in term of culture then? TH
    ...

    This is very easy: walk amongst the yellow shirters (95% sino Thai white skinned folk); walk amongst the red shirters (95% Thai-Thai, dark skinned folk). Many of us have walked through both 'mobs' on numerous occassions; I'm surprosed that you haven't...

    Now, as far as the leadership goes (which is NOT Rurul Surin's point...), you'd have to look at the way schooling and 'qualifications' are used to inhibit certain elements of society; look at how you get into politics here ('start-up' costs).

    Now a little analogy to help you cause you need all the help you can get... I had a very similar schooling to me brother (I went to the top free grammar school in the country, he went to one of the most expensive public schools in the country) - we look the same and talk in a similar voice, but he's a little facist stockbroker, whilst I have very central (sometimes left of centre) politics and dislike social parasites... Just because folk have a similar background does not make them the same or force them to have the same politics, rather obviously...

    Also, as you are alluding to: the sino-Thai scumbags are very clannish and love money above anything else. One group just work with the powerbrokers which has pushed them on an ideological mission, another clan bet on the masses, but didn't really take fully into account the blueblooded Thai hatred for the common folk and their willingness to shoot as many of them dead as possible, as often as is required... Nobody here thinks that MrT is for the people. But, many savi posters are fully aware how much the current junta are fully against the people in a way that the TRT NEVER WERE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean46 View Post
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    I think wages in China have surpased Thailand already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thaihome
    But yet the leadership of both factions seems to be from the same cultural elite. How do you explain the divisons in term of culture then? TH
    ...

    This is very easy: walk amongst the yellow shirters (95% sino Thai white skinned folk); walk amongst the red shirters (95% Thai-Thai, dark skinned folk). Many of us have walked through both 'mobs' on numerous occassions; I'm surprosed that you haven't...
    What about those who belong to neither faction? Aren't they the majority but overlooked because they just carry on with their lifes?

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