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Rural Surin · 04-07-2009, 06:45 PM

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The Chinese will get what they want. They're running the show these days.

They have been for centuries...haven't they????

avaliable soon a your nearest destroyed temple!!!! Just ask the Tibetans

According to Chris Baker, there was a brief period around the end of the 19th Century when the Western colonial powers helped to bring about the end of the original great Chinese trading families and even controlled the rice trade for a while, but that ended after the next big wave of Chinese immigration in the early 20th, when by 1912 (I think I remember this correctly) Bangkok was already 50% Chinese.

China rules SE Asia, either more or less directly, as in the case of Burma and probably Laos, or through the overseas Chinese elsewhere. Also take into account who controls the water (Chinese dams on the upper Mekong, for starters). I think the role of the overseas Chinese has undergone a dramatic change from less than a decade ago, and coincides with China's rise as a manufacturing and economic powerhouse- a development that wasn't really anticipated by the Western powers, Japan, or, probably, the overseas Chinese themselves. I think that until very recently the overseas Chinese felt culturally Chinese- in fact in some cases saw themselves as the keepers of Chinese culture after attempts to destroy it in the PRC through the Cultural Revolution, etc.- but the Chinese "homeland" was for a time consigned to history and not much more than a distant memory to most of them, if they knew it at all. This has all changed, and now there seems to be a newly found sense of Chinese identity, i.e., an actual identification with China itself, which is now reopened to them (even to the Taiwanese). I'd like to look into this idea more, and examine how it affects, for example, ethnic Chinese feelings of "Thainess", if I ever have time that is.

The one place the Chinese don't have much control over in SE Asia is Vietnam, and I wouldn't be surprised were the Great Dragon (Smaug?) to butt heads with Vietnam again one day.

It is what it is....

panama hat · 04-07-2009, 06:57 PM

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If you take into account people with one or more ethnic Chinese grandparent, that number would be far higher, I think.

Aha, there is the rub . . . so anyone with even a 25% piece of Chinese ancestry is Chinese? The other 75% don't count?

Rural Surin · 04-07-2009, 07:11 PM

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I thought the elite were all Chinese

Not all. Historically, one could throw a odd mix of Persian and Indian into that mix of Chinese dominance - as it is applied to historic Siam/Thailand. Always, the key advisors and influence underlining have been 'foreign', especially to the crown. We know only {as a rule} of the native Siamese influence that has always been representitive and promoted on the surface.

Rural Surin · 04-07-2009, 07:12 PM

I like Chinese. They only come up to your knees and they always aim to please....

panama hat · 04-07-2009, 08:39 PM

I like Chinese thought,
The wisdom that Confucious taught.
If Darwin is anything to shout about,
The Chinese will survive us all without any doubt.

Even Monty Python knew . . . and that was at a count of 900 million

Rural Surin · 04-07-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by panama hat

I like Chinese thought,
The wisdom that Confucious taught.
If Darwin is anything to shout about,
The Chinese will survive us all without any doubt.

Even Monty Python knew . . . and that was at a count of 900 million

Sure. As it might do us {as Euro civilisations} to extend a more hunble approach. We've never been 'on top'......just promote it well.

robuzo · 04-07-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by robuzo

If you take into account people with one or more ethnic Chinese grandparent, that number would be far higher, I think.

Aha, there is the rub . . . so anyone with even a 25% piece of Chinese ancestry is Chinese? The other 75% don't count?

Really not sure why I bother.

panama hat · 05-07-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by robuzo

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Originally Posted by panama hat

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Originally Posted by robuzo

If you take into account people with one or more ethnic Chinese grandparent, that number would be far higher, I think.

Aha, there is the rub . . . so anyone with even a 25% piece of Chinese ancestry is Chinese? The other 75% don't count?

Really not sure why I bother.

Because you're good!

longtom · 05-07-2009, 03:43 PM

name change not Thailand it is Chinealand all ready.

Rural Surin · 05-07-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by longtom

name change not Thailand it is Chinealand all ready.

Sino-Siam.

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