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    Chinese State Newspaper Urges 'Abandonment' of USA

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    BEIJING, Sept 17 (Reuters) - Threatened by a "financial tsunami," the world must consider building a financial order no longer dependent on the United States, a leading Chinese state newspaper said on Wednesday.

    The commentary in the overseas edition of the People's Daily said the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc "may augur an even larger impending global 'financial tsunami'."

    The People's Daily is the official newspaper of China's ruling Communist Party, and the overseas edition is a smaller circulation offshoot of the main paper.

    Its pronouncements do not necessarily directly voice leadership views. But the commentary by a professor at Shanghai's Tongji University, as well as an essay in a Party journal, underscored official alarm at the turmoil in world financial markets.

    China's central bank earlier this week cut its lending rate for the first time in six years, a move analysts said was aimed at bolstering the economy and the battered stock market.

    "The eruption of the U.S. sub-prime crisis has exposed massive loopholes in the United States' financial oversight and supervision," writes the commentator, Shi Jianxun.

    "The world urgently needs to create a diversified currency and financial system and fair and just financial order that is not dependent on the United States."

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    UPDATE 1-China paper urges new currency order after tsunami | Currencies | Reuters

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    The Euro?

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    Chinese are greedy twats

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    for some reason a Virginia Slims ad comes to mind ................

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim1176 View Post
    Chinese are greedy twats
    Nah, just clever and waiting their turn.

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    The Chinese don't cue. They will take/buy what they want when they want it. After all, they are the center of the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pai nai ma View Post
    The Chinese don't cue. They will take/buy what they want when they want it. After all, they are the center of the universe.
    Can't blame the Chinese for their greed when the west over the last 30 years has injected them with manufacturer and production and cheap labour, just so the corporate companies can make a few extra dollars at the expense of employemt in our own countries.

    Only ourselves to blame.
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    U.S. Meltdown Reflects Regulators' Failures, Wu Says (Update1)


    By Li Yanping and Nipa Piboontanasawat

    Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. regulators failed to manage the risks of new financial products and China needs to learn the lessons to avoid its own meltdown, former central bank deputy governor Wu Xiaoling said.

    ``The U.S. crisis reflects regulatory problems in the U.S. and innovative financial products that ignored basic economic rules,'' Wu told a financial conference in Beijing today. ``The U.S. crisis today would be China's tomorrow if financial products such as securitization are introduced without proper risk-control measures.''

    China has resisted years of pressure from U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson to open its financial system more quickly and add new products. Those barriers helped the nation limit its losses and writedowns from the credit-market crisis to less than 1 percent of the $516 billion global total.

    ``Now is the time for the Chinese to say that `you didn't do it quite right either,''' said David Cohen, an economist at Action Economics in Singapore. ``The world is very dependent on China to help cushion the downturn.''

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    The blame game starts...

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    Well, no need to accuse the Chinese of greed, they were simply more conservative, and thus, correct, and had to listen to many arrogant lectures on economy from the US before. And now that the US has (hopefully) learnt its lesson and should start to be a bit more quiet when it comes to lecturing others, it's only correct to reasses certain bad habits from the past. Swiss banks heavily relied on the functioning of the american credit system as well, despite many warnings, and weren't as prudent as they are in their home market, but sought to copy american bankers.. Can't blame the americans for your own mistakes, but it's certainly correct to question your engagement in that market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones
    Can't blame the Chinese for their greed when the west over the last 30 years has injected them with manufacturer and production and cheap labour, just so the corporate companies can make a few extra dollars at the expense of employemt in our own countries.
    That's far too simplistic . . . the Chinese government kept the Yuan at an artificially low rate for just this purpose; attracting manufacturing contracts and selling themselves as the lowest-cost manufacturer, even outdoing the likes of BanglaDesh and Indonesia.

    Now that there are problems they are, as usual, placing the blame firmly at the feet of the 'west' while proclaiming their 'helpless' situation.

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    I wish more second-rate economies would strike out on their own and create their own financial orders.

    Then we could ride on their coattails for awhile. And wouldn't have to listen to them whine all the while.

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    Yea, and China is so well known for being the world leaders in corporate transparency, and they have done such a swell job of managing the market that the Shanghai composite has gone from over 5,000 in Jan, to below 2,000 currently (and folks have been bitching about the 4% DOW loss the other day). If the sky is falling in NY it must have already fallen in Shanghai.

    China should better blend there foreign currency deposits - Dollar, Yen, Pound, Euro. Especially consdering China's biggest trading partner is the EU and their third biggest is Japan. However, even with EU companies China still does quite a bit of business in US dollars, and oil trade is in US dollars.

    We saw some of the same type of comments not so long ago when the dollar seemed to be in a never ending dive against the Euro and Pound. Now the dollar has gained much of those losses back, and all that talk died down, as will this once the financial markets in the US stabilize. Problem is the talk should not die down, China should have a better balance - but will they?
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    We saw some of the same type of comments not so long ago when the dollar seemed to be in a never ending dive against the Euro and Pound. Now the dollar has gained much of those losses back, and all that talk died down
    Zactly.

    Much like the efforts in Iraq. When the fighting was going on, all these wankers were up in arms. It was a huge issue. Now that Iraq appears to be making some headway and successes are piling up, the issue has gone cold. Completely.

    Next ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkandrew
    Threatened by a "financial tsunami," the world must consider building a financial order no longer dependent on the United States, and replace it with us. We're really very nice and we dun the olympics and stuff. We're good we are.
    ..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkandrew
    "The eruption of the U.S. sub-prime crisis has exposed massive loopholes in the United States' financial oversight and supervision,"
    Donno about loopholes, more like blackholes. The securities and exchange commission under Mr Cox have made some blinding fock ups. Naked short selling and uptick rule being two of them, not to mention comoatose at the wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs
    Yea, and China is so well known for being the world leaders in corporate transparency, and they have done such a swell job of managing the market that the Shanghai composite has gone from over 5,000 in Jan, to below 2,000 currently (and folks have been bitching about the 4% DOW loss the other day). If the sky is falling in NY it must have already fallen in Shanghai.
    good point, and it's not like this is the first time, recovery happens. Some takes longer, some are fast. The SubPrime is a big fuckup, we all saw it coming, and yet nothing could have been done to stop it.

    Just have to wait for the storm to pass,

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    I wondered for how long the US could carry on financing a lost cause in Iraq & Afghanistan. The $ billions lost each day had to eventually erode the nation's bank-balance.

    Coupled with the years of negative savings rate in the US, something was bound to give.

    The US has always been good at 'smoke-&-mirrors' - this time, the mirrors began to crack & the smoke lifted. Wonder quite how they're going to fix the mess without putting their hands in their own pockets - for a change?

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    Have you been living under a rock Wat? Pick up any paper and read up a little about Iraq, hardly a lost cause.

    If you don't like how the US markets and financial system is operated ... get lost. Nobody's forcing you to play.

    Grow a pair, Man!
    Quit stewing around whining and start your own.
    Don't be followers your whole lives.

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    Now, where's that 'under the rock' emoticon when you need it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat
    Much like the efforts in Iraq. When the fighting was going on, all these wankers were up in arms. It was a huge issue. Now that Iraq appears to be making some headway and successes are piling up, the issue has gone cold. Completely.
    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat
    Have you been living under a rock Wat? Pick up any paper and read up a little about Iraq, hardly a lost cause.
    In a thread about China's position vis-a-vis corporate collapse in the US . . . now I know why people refer to a drinking problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pai nai ma View Post
    The Chinese don't cue. They will take/buy what they want when they want it. After all, they are the center of the universe.
    Can't blame the Chinese for their greed when the west over the last 30 years has injected them with manufacturer and production and cheap labour, just so the corporate companies can make a few extra dollars at the expense of employemt in our own countries.

    Only ourselves to blame.
    That is the problem, short term political leadership costing the working stiff and his family. The only people making money are the smegma who work for the govt and utility co's: cops, electrical co, firemen, teachers. The regular Joe pays taxes to support their extorted salaries and gets squat in return.

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    World Economy and we all affect one another - no one is immune. Chinese need consumers so regardless what they say they are stuck with the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones
    Can't blame the Chinese for their greed when the west over the last 30 years has injected them with manufacturer and production and cheap labour, just so the corporate companies can make a few extra dollars at the expense of employemt in our own countries.
    That's far too simplistic . . . the Chinese government kept the Yuan at an artificially low rate for just this purpose; attracting manufacturing contracts and selling themselves as the lowest-cost manufacturer, even outdoing the likes of BanglaDesh and Indonesia.

    Now that there are problems they are, as usual, placing the blame firmly at the feet of the 'west' while proclaiming their 'helpless' situation.
    Then if that's the case the west has been far to dumb not to realise the implications. Either way England in particular has closed down successful businesses and manufacturing to line the pockets of corporate companies, that can't be denied.

    Why do business that are already succesful within their own company and country want just that little bit more for themselves, and sacrifice employment and stability within their own country, that is greed, and now it's bitting back

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    Greed, you said it . . . has nothing to do with the hypocrisy of China

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    ^Correct, an inevitable result of a bizarre plan - outsourcing your manufacturing to China, whilst borrowing the money from the Chinese to fund it.

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