Ok just added 100 SKF financials ultrashort at 134.75$ to the portfolio.
Ok just added 100 SKF financials ultrashort at 134.75$ to the portfolio.
I added 100 SKF Financials Ultrashort today. This is basically an "electronically traded fund" when the financial companies share prices fall, its price goes up.
The rally in the financial companies over the last few days took the price of skf from 210$ all the way down to a support point today at 131. I bought a 134.75 ish.
Im gonna slowly add to this postion over the next few days weeks, SKF is a real money maker but you gotta get the entry and exit point right otherwise it can bite you on the arse if it reverses on you. I'm looking at a three month trade on skf, right up to the next earnings season.
aren't many companies declaring earnings this week ? apple already ( sh1t for sheep ) ?
Potash Corporation, yesterday's trades included purchases by TD Securities.....
Now we know where all that TeakDoor advertising revenue is going....
Yes over a thousand this week, so far, not so good!Originally Posted by baldrick
Well I did load up again early on after being stopped out on friday but not under the name TD securities, or at the kind of numbers where I have to report to the SECOriginally Posted by Thormaturge
Big gain yesterday, big move down today. Still waiting for POT earnings on Thursday.
Freeport McMoran copper and gold reported earnings today,they missed estimations and recorded a 14% profit loss caused by a poor seam of material at their huge mine in Indonesia. The stock got crushed like the rock they mine
The financial sector continues to defy logic again today, one bank in America today, Wachovia Corp. reported that it lost 8.9 billion dollars in the last three months and will slash the dividend 87 percent and eliminate 6,350 jobs... The stock price went up 28%!... Freeport McMoran made a profit of 947 million dollars over the last three months, their price fell today by 6%! bonkers!
I bought another 50 of the ETF, SKF today. Like i said ealier I'm gonna keep on buying these during this financials rally. The idea is that the steam will run out of the rally and people will sell off the shares and it'll be back to a bear market. Thats when the profit for SKF should kick in. Its gonna look like a losing trade for a while but I think it will turn a good profit in a couple of months. Dont forget, the value of SKF goes up when the value of financial companies goes down, its a "short" trade.
Weakness in oil didnt help the fert companies today, the dollar had a little run today and that pushed oil lower.
Roll on tomorrow, another day, another play.
Stop orders triggered at 10am EST on all the fert positions. They all fell wildly at start of the day.
Will wait for POT's earnings tomorrow to see how this is going to play out.
Spin, no offence or anything, but could you just send me the 100k to waste as I wish rather than you losing it all
^ No offence taken, if I was day trading like butterfly said then I would have sold out when it was 11,000$ up. Things have gone tits up on here because of oil prices fluctuating. But oil is all over the place at the moment. Its a waiting game to see what happens next.
Just added another 50 SKF at 113.00$ Financials are rallying on "irrational exuberance" according to a few heads on Bloomberg tv. There might be an element of truth in that.
don't flatter yourself, Spin, what you are doing is day trading, not investingOriginally Posted by Spin
you are focusing mainly on prices and charts to make your moves, not going for the long run and accepting corrections, you have the stop order taking over,
not saying what you are doing is entirely wrong, but just logical in a day trading approach
Waiting for your red telling me how I am being rude for pointing the obvious
No intention of sending reds for anything, I only return ones I receive.
If you dont have anything constructive to offer the thread, please stay off it.
I've been trying to follow this thread, I really have, but you guys might as well be speaking Swahili for all the sense I can make of it.
Like the charts though, those are cool.
^ I hadnt really thought about that, tell you what I'm gonna do. I'll put links behind some of the jargon to a website I know that offers short explanations of the swahili bits
^Thanks mate, appreciate it. Not your fault, I'm just spectacularly thick when it comes to this stuff. Interested though.
Ok lets recap where we are now. This morning on further oil weakness some sell orders were "triggered" these orders are called "sell stops" and you place them at a set price and if the price falls to the level you set, the order is filled and you protect some profits.
So realized(banked) profit so far looks like this
Things are not going exactly to plan but never mind, DD can still round up a few imaginary SLAGDOGS with that imaginary money and have a good time
Its an extremely difficult environment to make money in at the moment. The US (+the world) markets are in an absolute mess and will continue to be so for at least another 12 months, but I'll just keep chipping away.
Ok, ferts have had the crap beaten out of them today, now trading at lower prices than when I originaly bought them for this exercise. The reason for this is that people are "selling into earnings", POT company reports earnings tomorrow, the report will be good I think but the uncertainty in the market means lots of people sell just before the report and wait to see the market reaction and then wither buy back in or stay out. Its a little bit irrational but does present oppourtunities to the folks that believe the long term story for these companies to pick up some stocks at a discount. For example, I sold 200 POT shares this morning for $212.50 each. I could buy them back right now for 198.33$ a piece, in fact i think I will take some at this price level.
BUY POT 200 at 198.40$
BUY MOS 200 at 121.15$
BUY MON 200 at 110.87$
sure, no problemOriginally Posted by Spin
Ok, heres the charts for todays trading action for POT and MOS. They both fell a lot (a similar thing happened to Monsanto but the chart isnt shown)
But maybe that will work to our benefit. Take a look at the charts below, you can see where the stop orders were triggered to sell the stocks at 10am. I just bought the same stocks at the end of the day at a nice discount
This action should prove to be profitable over the next few weeks, if it isnt, those that live in Pattaya should listen carefully for a dull thud coming from the car park of View Talay 2 condo's
What I did here today is very risky and I wouldnt do anything like this with real money. But seeing how this is DD's beer money it doesn't matter if we lose the whole lot!
Potash Corps (PO) earnings are out, second-quarter net income of $905.1 million or $2.82 per share, compared to $285.7 million or $0.88 per share in the same period of last year. So they have more than tripled profit from a year ago.
Total sales rose to $2.6 billion from $1.3 billion in the previous year. Seven Wall Street analysts had a consensus revenue estimate of $2.55 billion.
These are pretty much what I expected and the fert stocks should respond nicely today, ongoing though, I'm very worried about weakness in oil......
^ sold! those extra 300 POTat 208$ becuase oil is not showing any strength and the wider market is falling. We still have 200 for the long run and maybe I will add again but better right now to bank a little profit in this uncertain market.
^ So thats a bit of nasty "day trading" done, some people dont like it because they think its not investing or proper or whatever. I just see it as a another way of putting food on the table. In this case it was 1650$ imaginary dollars in a little under 3 hours.
So that bolsters the "realised gains" (banked profit) a little bit.
Things turned ugly a little after 10am in the US. Sold MON MOS POT, update later.....
Ok so these stocks were sold today, for a small profit but wont include it in the procedings as things are getting confusing.Originally Posted by Spin
Basically, the fertilzer stocks are all over the place at the moment, wild price swings up and day. Until i get a clear indication that the mid term outlokk for this sector is either up or down, I stay away from them. Whilst they still have the potential to go higher, there is the possibility that crude prices could collapse down to 100$ and if that happened the fert stocks would capitulate
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