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Butterfly · 13-07-2008, 02:13 AM

^ LOL, you got to be joking, you are ignorant, keep posting senseless news to make some obscure point, and keep predicting the end of days, and then claim to be some kind of god predicting all things financial,

you are obviously not serious, and I take you as such. Why should I debate you when you can't even add 2+2

Butterfly · 13-07-2008, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Spin

Pay attention! I sold the first Solar shares in post 37 for 4100$ profit as it had a great run up so I took the money and ran!

ok I am too lazy to go back, could you detail your virtual trades here and see what we are getting really ? it feels like you are double counting, unrealized gains on shares you have already sold, surely this is not the case

bkkandrew · 13-07-2008, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ LOL, you got to be joking, you are ignorant, keep posting senseless news to make some obscure point, and keep predicting the end of days, and then claim to be some kind of god predicting all things financial,

you are obviously not serious, and I take you as such. Why should I debate you when you can't even add 2+2

I'll take that as a 'yes' to my point of you being sore that you cannot get away with talking nonsense on financial matters on this forum any more...

I also note you have abandoned the threads that your arguments have been shown to be wrong. If you wish, you could challenge this and I can then post the links.

Or you could simply stop digging the hole.

bkkandrew · 13-07-2008, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

I am too lazy

This might be a clue...

Butterfly · 13-07-2008, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bkkandrew

If you wish, you could challenge this and I can then post the links.

Please do, I love having online stalkers. I think you are reading a bit too far between the lines, and I am suspecting now that you are a full blown psycho.

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Or you could simply stop digging the hole.

I have learn a long time ago that arguing with children is a bit pointless. Keep talking.

bkkandrew · 13-07-2008, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

I love having online stalkers. I think you are reading a bit too far between the lines, and I am suspecting now that you are a full blown psycho.

Bingo! Lose the argument, call the winner a stalker, psycho, or even a full blown one. That'll work.

Butterfly · 13-07-2008, 02:42 AM

^ waiting for you to post all the links about me losing an argument

all talk and bs as usual ?

bkkandrew · 13-07-2008, 02:48 AM

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If you wish, you could challenge this and I can then post the links.

Please do

OK:

http://teakdoor.com/issues/31530-oil...nomy-spur.html (Oil Tumbles as Signs of Slowing Economy Spur Commodity Selling)

http://teakdoor.com/issues/27235-som...de-oil-16.html (Some thoughts about Crude Oil..)

Can post more, but wish to go to bed.

Spin · 13-07-2008, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

ok I am too lazy to go back

But not too lazy to carry on some off topic argument on my thread?

Spin · 13-07-2008, 04:18 AM

Lets have an end of week recap so any slow or lazy folks can follow these procedings

Heres how things looked at the end of Monday, notice we have stocks in 5 different companies

Just after that post some cockend appeared and added this comment

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Originally Posted by Stubi

What a rubbish here

Not sure what he was referring to, possibly his own grammar but I digress.....

A couple days later the Solar stock had shot to the moon so I sold them for a profit of....<drum roll>

Which meant that the portfolio looked like this (notice only 4 companies now Butters...)

That brings us to Friday which as a day will remain in our hearts as the day that Fannie May and Freddie Mac, the two government sponsored mortgage companies lost 50% of their market value only to recover after a well placed lie in the media sparked a recovery in their stock price

Thats how things stand right now, 6784$ + 4100$ = oh i dont know I c
ant be arsed, go back and read the thread

Butterfly · 13-07-2008, 05:00 AM

^ thanks spin, for the recap, very much appreciated

Rattanaburi · 13-07-2008, 08:21 AM

Spin, just curious I don't know you too well. Have you actually made money in stocks? You seem pretty confident with this. Personally, I haven't really done and daytrading. There was a time when daytrading was big but it seems like it never makes the news anymore.

I'd guess you can't really claim any profit until you stop playing all together. I mean if you started with 20k and sold a stock putting 4k profit on that stock into your account you could say that you had 4k that wasn't going anywhere for sure but until all the money is in that moneymarket account you can't really say that you have made a profit. If you have 4k then you sell out the 20k you have in the market and have 24k in your moneymarket you would have made 4k in profit.

I guess at the moment your total account value is over your initial investment so if you sold instantly at the opening you would have about the current total amount.

I'm not trying to harrass you or anything. It just an observation. Your stocks look like winners to me. Even if we can't drive our cars or buy new clothes, we still want to have dinner and heat our homes.

Spin · 13-07-2008, 02:47 PM

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Have you actually made money in stocks?

The trades in this thread reflect trades that I have in real life, so you could assume that yes I am making money. I've lost money too, but at the end of the month I generally come out on top. Right now this is a tough tough market to be involved in though, be a whole lot easier to turn profits in 6-9 months from now

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You seem pretty confident with this.

I know these companies, i believe in their future. Due diligence has been done.
When I placed the trades for this thread it was practically impossible for me to lose money, it was all about timing you see.

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but until all the money is in that moneymarket account you can't really say that you have made a profit.

Looks to me like your having trouble following the numbers on this thread, there all right there above on those 4 pages, maybe i didnt lay it out well enough, sorry about that. Go back and have a closer look, take out your calculator, if you need it, to check those numbers but dont forget this is only a game.

NickA · 13-07-2008, 03:43 PM

^So I see you're following my advice Spin and making some money. You're still a learner though and I will pass you on to the next level of financial wisdom.

Buy even lower, sell even higher.

Rattanaburi · 13-07-2008, 07:06 PM

I see the gain but what I am saying is that until all your stocks become cash in your hand and not in the market there's no real gain. If you sold out right now you would have some gain for sure but if you wait and something changes quickly then you sell overall you could have lost money from your initial total investment in this account. I'm not denying that you show a realized gain on that one stock. But until all your stocks(your whole account) are converted to cash you can't say that you've made more money than you initially started with. That $6784 doesn't exist as profit until you sell out. If you sell everything right now you would have a great profit right now but until you do you don't know what you'll have in your account at the end of the day. Just because you've won one hand on a poker table doesn't mean you will leave the table with cash if you keep playing.

bkkandrew · 13-07-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rattanaburi

I see the gain but what I am saying is that until all your stocks become cash in your hand and not in the market there's no real gain. If you sold out right now you would have some gain for sure but if you wait and something changes quickly then you sell overall you could have lost money from your initial total investment in this account. I'm not denying that you show a realized gain on that one stock. But until all your stocks(your whole account) are converted to cash you can't say that you've made more money than you initially started with. That $6784 doesn't exist as profit until you sell out. If you sell everything right now you would have a great profit right now but until you do you don't know what you'll have in your account at the end of the day. Just because you've won one hand on a poker table doesn't mean you will leave the table with cash if you keep playing.

And then the bank holding the cash from the sell-out goes bust...

Spin · 13-07-2008, 07:54 PM

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I haven't really done any daytrading

I do a little, but what I'm doing here isnt daytrading so I'm a little confused why you mention it.

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Originally Posted by Rattanaburi

what I am saying is that until all your stocks become cash in your hand and not in the market there's no real gain

Yes i think everybody is aware of that, the numbers i quote at the end of each trading day are an indication of how things are panning out, nobody claimed they were money in the bank. This thread is just a bit of fun remember

Spin · 13-07-2008, 07:59 PM

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And then the bank holding the cash from the sell-out goes bust

You're obsessed!, seek help immediately

13-07-2008, 07:06 PM	#75 (permalink)
Rattanaburi Elite Member Last Online: Today 08:02 AM Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Unsure Posts: 1,117	I see the gain but what I am saying is that until all your stocks become cash in your hand and not in the market there's no real gain. If you sold out right now you would have some gain for sure but if you wait and something changes quickly then you sell overall you could have lost money from your initial total investment in this account. I'm not denying that you show a realized gain on that one stock. But until all your stocks(your whole account) are converted to cash you can't say that you've made more money than you initially started with. That $6784 doesn't exist as profit until you sell out. If you sell everything right now you would have a great profit right now but until you do you don't know what you'll have in your account at the end of the day. Just because you've won one hand on a poker table doesn't mean you will leave the table with cash if you keep playing. Last edited by Rattanaburi : 13-07-2008 at 07:12 PM.

13-07-2008, 02:13 AM	#61 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,894	^ LOL, you got to be joking, you are ignorant, keep posting senseless news to make some obscure point, and keep predicting the end of days, and then claim to be some kind of god predicting all things financial, you are obviously not serious, and I take you as such. Why should I debate you when you can't even add 2+2

13-07-2008, 02:42 AM	#67 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,894	^ waiting for you to post all the links about me losing an argument all talk and bs as usual ?

13-07-2008, 05:00 AM	#71 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,894	^ thanks spin, for the recap, very much appreciated

13-07-2008, 08:21 AM	#72 (permalink)
Rattanaburi Elite Member Last Online: Today 08:02 AM Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Unsure Posts: 1,117	Spin, just curious I don't know you too well. Have you actually made money in stocks? You seem pretty confident with this. Personally, I haven't really done and daytrading. There was a time when daytrading was big but it seems like it never makes the news anymore. I'd guess you can't really claim any profit until you stop playing all together. I mean if you started with 20k and sold a stock putting 4k profit on that stock into your account you could say that you had 4k that wasn't going anywhere for sure but until all the money is in that moneymarket account you can't really say that you have made a profit. If you have 4k then you sell out the 20k you have in the market and have 24k in your moneymarket you would have made 4k in profit. I guess at the moment your total account value is over your initial investment so if you sold instantly at the opening you would have about the current total amount. I'm not trying to harrass you or anything. It just an observation. Your stocks look like winners to me. Even if we can't drive our cars or buy new clothes, we still want to have dinner and heat our homes.

13-07-2008, 03:43 PM	#74 (permalink)
NickA This is not my avatar Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,918	^So I see you're following my advice Spin and making some money. You're still a learner though and I will pass you on to the next level of financial wisdom. Buy even lower, sell even higher.

13-07-2008, 08:22 PM	#79 (permalink)
bkkandrew Clingin' on... Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: BKK Posts: 4,158