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    SET is 5% away from all time high. I'm normally a bull but everything seems overheated, started pruning yesterday and by 4.20 today was down to two biggies, PTG (streets in front) and AQUA (safe in the green zone, low downside and huge upside, will play the waiting game).

    Tips for today: Don't swoon over long words that make the speaker sound like they know what they're talking about; your broker is your bookie and a predator, not to be trusted even when they feed you the occasional sprat; don't get emotional/possessive over your holdings; nothing on the screen matters because you're only in profit when the money's in your pocket; do your own dd.

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    Good points and good post. Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze View Post
    For the tenth time: Why?

    Explain your rationale



    Terrible advice that exposes you to no theoretical loss limit. Only a fool would short this bull market
    you wouldn't understand anyhow, pointless

    only a fool who think the market is overvalued and about to crash not starting looking at real options for getting out instead of relying very naively on a stop loss

    if you have a small portfolio, take your profit and stay in cash until valuation feels a bit less overvalued

    like I said, October is a dangerous month, some might not believe it, and feel sorry later. October could also end up spectacular. So it's gamble at the end.

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    I have a ton of "bargains" I wanted to buy recently, but I am pausing because of October (never underestimate season effects), if it crash, I can buy them at a bigger bargain

    Win-Win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    you wouldn't understand anyhow, pointless
    No you just can't explain it because it makes no sense and you have no point


    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    only a fool who think the market is overvalued and about to crash not starting looking at real options for getting out instead of relying very naively on a stop loss
    Technically its a stop limit.

    Since you're bothering commenting you could actually make yourself useful and explain any of your opinions.

    Your posts are all just worthless sniping with no insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    only a fool who think the market is overvalued and about to crash not starting looking at real options for getting out instead of relying very naively on a stop loss
    Who said anything about the market "about to crash"? Its like you just enjoy making shit up, I've said I think its due for a substantial correction. That correction could come years from now though. I've said all of this more than once now, but pat on the head there you just go ahead and keep typing what you want to have been said not what was actually said.

    On a happy note, eery individual stock I own is up between 1-3% today. Think I'll go ahead and stick with my plan of riding these winnings out with a stop to minimize losses

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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze View Post
    No you just can't explain it because it makes no sense and you have no point




    Technically its a stop limit.

    Since you're bothering commenting you could actually make yourself useful and explain any of your opinions.

    Your posts are all just worthless sniping with no insight.
    I suggest you google the inherent trading risks behind a stop loss, it's quite simply. No need to explain to you, you should know them already, and if you don't, then you are a bit hopeless, and I am not engaging into a lecture with someone who can't even understand the basics of a stop loss.

    I gave you already the options, again quite simple, but you obstinate yourself into thinking they should be more. Why bother discussing them with you then ?


    Anyway, for those interested I can only highlight the risks they take, and that's a good start for most

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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze View Post
    Who said anything about the market "about to crash"? Its like you just enjoy making shit up, I've said I think its due for a substantial correction. That correction could come years from now though. I've said all of this more than once now, but pat on the head there you just go ahead and keep typing what you want to have been said not what was actually said.

    On a happy note, eery individual stock I own is up between 1-3% today. Think I'll go ahead and stick with my plan of riding these winnings out with a stop to minimize losses
    if it's years away from correction, then the market is not overvalued. Again a lot of confusion and assumptions on your side.

    For professionals, when you say it's due for a correction or a crash, then you start preparing yourself now, not in 2 or 3 years with only stop loss on securities as a plan to the correction.

    Only a fool will wait until the last second, or the market high to start making decisions to protect himself from a correction. Everyone else with a clue, start putting their money where their mouth is, and that is cash or shorting corners of the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    if it's years away from correction, then the market is not overvalued.
    I have no idea whether its years away from a correction or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Only a fool will wait until the last second, or the market high to start making decisions to protect himself from a correction.
    Only a fool attempts to time the market down to the day. No one can do that successfully over a long time period, its a complete fool's errand.

    I don't think you know anything about investing, I'm just gonna throw that out there. Everything you say is just a lot of hot air, and when asked to expand you try and pretend like you're not expanding because you're too smart. But bottom line, I'm just gonna a spade an obvious spade: You don't know dick about investing.

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    Well sorry to disappoint you but I am professionally in the financial industry, while you are not

    and you have the typical signature of ignorant investors who can't learn and think they know it all, hence why I won't engage with your silly arguments

    Plenty of frauds come to TD to pitch their investing "expertise" and I usually expose them in a matter of days. You are not the first one, and you seem a bit new on TD

    One famous guy was a convinced fraudster and he was as vindicative as you are when I started to expose him

    Enjoy your stop loss and castle in the sky,

    in the meantime, I will continue to expose risks and mistakes done by some in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Well sorry to disappoint you but I am professionally in the financial industry


    Oh man, thanks for the laugh. That's good stuff...



    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    One famous guy was a convinced fraudster and he was as vindicative as you are when I started to expose him
    No idea what you are on about here. I want you to add something useful to the thread or fuck off.

    If you're not willing to engage or just don't have the knowledge to do so that's fine. Stop screwing up the thread and filling it with your lame nonsense. You've been asked by others, not just me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Plenty of frauds come to TD to pitch their investing "expertise" and I usually expose them in a matter of days
    Yeah let me know when that starts to happen.

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    the thread was doing fine before you showed up with your usual stupid remarks and your attacks to cover your fragile little ego,

    what was asked is for you and me to stop our heated exchange, which you did for a while, and even edited some of your posts to cover up your attacks (probably a request by the mod before they deleted my replies)

    I will contribute as I see it fit, that is warning people of possible mistakes they are making, and you are not the thread master to tell us what to say here

    One thing I can tell others is not to use a Stop Loss as a protection for a large or even market correction, that simply doesn't work

    you want to continue to persuade us that you have the best option for a market correction, and I am telling you you haven't and you are throwing a fit over it like a 12yr old girl

    what else there is to say ? do not put a Stop Loss order on your securities if you want to protect yourself from a correction.

    It's like telling a kid, do not put your dick in the tube of a vaccuum cleaner, he might ask you why and throw a fit over it, but you can only tell him don't

    it's really that simple,

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    As a courtesy to the OP I am going to refrain from engaging in this nonsense any further.

    Hopefully others can continue the thread in a more constructive manner.

    Lots of money to be made out there, hope everyone is doing good with it!

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    Oh one last thing for those who are actually interested in the risks of stop losses.

    The biggest problem with setting a market order stop loss is that when stock prices are falling very quickly say during a market crash you can have a situation where you wind up having your sell order filled at a market price that is much lower than what you set your stop loss at. Another issue is when you set a stop loss and the market runs through the stop loss in overnight trading you can miss your target price and the order won't even get filled.

    If you place a stop limit order, you can mitigate some of this problem by setting a value on the lowest price you are willing to sell at. The problem again, is that in a quickly moving market you may never get your sell order filled at the price you want and you are stuck owning the shares you wanted to sell at a higher price.

    None of these factors means that these orders have no value or serve no purpose, they certainly do. Its just that nothing is fool proof and nothing can guarantee you won't lose money. All you can do is attempt to mitigate the risk using the available tools

    And that's stop loss/stop limit risk in a nutshell.

    Cheers everybody!

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    see that was not so hard redhaze, and thanks for finally proving my point that a stop loss won't protect you from a crash

    this is why you short certain instruments to protect yourself from an upcoming market drop,

    stop loss is fine when you do a lot of active trading in a volatile market, and you need to protect your open trades

    for a normal long term retail investor, it doesn't make much sense as he will buy and hold assets for a while, not manage speculative trades for a few hours or a few days

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    Yeah it was easy. I was actually looking for YOUR perspective, not mine. You made a statement but couldn't or wouldn't back it up. That's on you, not me.

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    I had the same perspective on stop loss, there was no statements to backup if you also knew what risks a stop loss has. Strange that was not clear in your mind. Maybe you did your own research after our exchange and that's a good thing. See, learn by yourself after I pointed out the "limits", that's how it should be done. We simply didn't have the same conclusions regarding them. And selling at a cost you have no real control of with a stop loss in a crash market situation is really something you want to avoid at all cost. Always try to keep control of your mix of securities and use additional instruments to protect your overall portfolio, not rely on a simple trading algo as an exit plan. Some crazy Hedge Funds could go with that for hundreds of speculative securities but the average small retail investor is not in that situation.

    Maybe a sensitive question, how big is your invested portfolio ? less than 1m USD ? less than 100k USD ? less than 10k USD ?

    are you trading futures ?

    margin trades ? or cash only trades ?

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    I didn't do any research following our exchange. Like many here I'm looking for real feedback and an exchange with other investors.

    In terms of my portfolio, I'll say its around 10% of my net worth and I'm not a millionaire. I think I said this before, but my stock ownings are mostly a hedge against the idea that we are due for a substantial correction. I am waiting to make a big move and have been for a few years. I'm a patient person

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    AQUA: Hope you're on, the next few days should tell if it's up and running or a false start, but looks like the waiting game paid off, resistance at mid-80s and then around 1.00 before a more or less clear run to 1.50, as ever with mini corrections and profit taking en route and subject to no coup or local nuke exchange.

    Bit of sorcery: aside from attractive fundamentals and investments, AQUA's 15 year chart shows sharp spikes to around 1.50 during 2005, 2008, 2014 and hopefully 2017; the missing link in this 3-year cycle was 2011, but look closer and you'll see it started the year in the low 20s and still hit 70s, which is a fine performance against the dust flying that year; and consistently higher lows since 2013, lowest was when I posted it has bottomed out at 66.
    Interesting developments ...

    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Exposing Victoria’s Secret—and the NCPO’s graft Anonymous - 17 May, 2018

    Aqua was to serve as a conduit to launder money from the massage business and other shady deals.

    Chuwit pointed out that the amount of money channelled through Aqua is far larger than what could be
    made from a massage parlour business and suggested Aqua is also being used to launder money from government corruption.
    Records of share ownership and business dealings confirm the story.

    Aqua quickly moved to stop reporting about its links to the massage business by launching a 333 million baht lawsuit against
    Chuwit and the media outlets that had run the story.

    ~ Exposing Victoria's Secret?and the NCPO?s graft - New Mandala

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    I offloaded some at -5%, most at -8% before the stock dropped 35% due to AQUA's associations, which in line with Thai integrity were understandably not reported. The company is still operating and paying divis, though I would be surprised to see it go anywhere from mid-50s until the gods decide what to do.

    Bits trickling through suggest a large % of stock and money is frozen in lieu of a resolution after which it should rise, or could end up in a multi-year court session and down to 30-35, but that's unlikely as it's clear that a large chunk of the investment was derived from prostitution which doesn't exist in Thailand as it's illegal.

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