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    Quote Originally Posted by ChalkyDee View Post
    I opened a bank account called TMB50, based on the SET50. I made over 10% in the last year, including dividend. Easy to open - Thai Military bank.

    Not as good as my Omise Go crypto that I bought at 20 baht in July, which is now 300 baht and going to soar. Also, got a lot of Kyber KNC, which is the next big one.
    I didn't know about the 'TMB50' ... good find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    if all you do is logon into your UK bank account and buy some kind of UCITS at market price, then you are not really trading since you do not have a limit price in mind
    You really are quite the pompous know it all. LMAO, as if placing limit orders makes you Leo Di-freaking-Caprio.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    with SET, like most bourses, you can play the bid/ask thing and get the trade at the cost that you want, instead of paying immediate market price that only impatient fools go for
    Or try this one: A fool tries to get a better price than the market will ever give him, and the stock tears away from him on the high end leaving him dry when he could have been in the money. See how that goes?

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    redhaze, you silly fraud, investing is not entering limit orders on a computer terminal, anyone can do that and I have people for that

    and DiCaprio was playing a fraudster, not a trader, you silly ignorant amateur

    trading and investing are two different things, but you wouldn't know that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    and I have people for that
    Bwahahahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    redhaze, you silly fraud, investing is not entering limit orders on a computer terminal, anyone can do that and I have people for that

    and DiCaprio was playing a fraudster, not a trader, you silly ignorant amateur

    trading and investing are two different things, but you wouldn't know that

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    , it would be appreciated if, instead of yelling at member contributing to the thread that you had a positive contribution instead.

    Maybe you can offer up specific advice on a stock/share which you think is undervalued and the potential for that stock/share.

    I think we all want to make money and stay invested in good shares.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post

    Dragonfly
    , it would be appreciated if, instead of yelling at member contributing to the thread that you had a positive contribution instead.

    Maybe you can offer up specific advice on a stock/share which you think is undervalued and the potential for that stock/share.

    I think we all want to make money and stay invested in good shares.

    Thanks
    wot e said

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    I did, and all I got was Red haze venting his frustration to me with his usual attacks

    the poor unsecured little thing had to be put back into his place,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    the poor unsecured little thing had to be put back into his place,
    Or you just looked like a dumb lout per usual. AKA reality.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I have people for that


    Oh man, that's not gonna get old anytime soon.

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    Ok enough about butters and his rantings, I'll go ahead and post some random thoughts here to ponder and hopefully encourage discussion.

    With the market just skyrocketing lately, valuations at near historic highs, equities are overpriced, values are harder to come by, and dividends are mostly shit I think that's all pretty clear. History tells us this will come crashing down at some point just like it always does. In the meantime, however, there is nowhere else to put our money so we are in. But how do we manage risk in a risky environment?

    I've been entertaining implementing broad trailing stops on all my investments as I don't particularly care for a buy and hold strategy at these valuations. The fall is just too steep and at some point ya gotta cut your losses. I've gone back and forth at a trailing stop between 15-20% but am undecided which one I want to stick with. Everything is making money so nothing is coming close to 15% which is allowing me some time to think. With a 15% trailing stop you can cut your losses short, but a 20% trailing stop puts you firmly in bear territory and helps avoid noise so I think I like the 20% stop a little better.

    Setting a stop loss is easy. The problem with getting stopped out is when to reenter. That's where the headache comes in. Worse case scenario is getting stopped out at the bottom and see the market take off back to the positive just after you get stopped out.

    Anyone have any thoughts, opinions, musings on any of this? Anyone else use stops? What about reentry strategies after a position is stopped out?

    Any and all thoughts are welcome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze View Post
    Or you just looked like a dumb lout per usual. AKA reality.






    Oh man, that's not gonna get old anytime soon.
    only in your unsecured little head

    and you don't have people for trading ? what kind of amateur are you !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze View Post
    Ok enough about butters and his rantings, I'll go ahead and post some random thoughts here to ponder and hopefully encourage discussion.

    With the market just skyrocketing lately, valuations at near historic highs, equities are overpriced, values are harder to come by, and dividends are mostly shit I think that's all pretty clear. History tells us this will come crashing down at some point just like it always does. In the meantime, however, there is nowhere else to put our money so we are in.
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    you are calling this deep thoughts ? this is what everyone is saying already but thanks for telling us again what is all over investment websites

    But how do we manage risk in a risky environment?
    well playing with stop-loss is not going to help you mitigate risks, just saying, so maybe you should look else where to manage risks

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    As others have said, participate or go away

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    and you don't have people for trading ? what kind of amateur are you !!!

    The type of ameteur who picks and manages my own investments

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    well playing with stop-loss is not going to help you mitigate risks, just saying, so maybe you should look else where to manage risks
    See if you actually had something to add you'd be throwing out more than hot air. But you clearly don't. Time to let the adults talk now

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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze View Post
    Time to let the adults talk now
    you are clearly not one of them since you came here with your usual unwarranted attacks, the same MO you use in many threads on TD

    as for your input, you repeat what everyone else knows already.

    as for your risk approach, I advise to look elsewhere than simple stop-loss, which is completely inadequate if you expect a real crash

    my recommendation to you if you really believe what you believe, is to sell everything and keeps everything in cash until the crash happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    my recommendation to you if you really believe what you believe, is to sell everything and keeps everything in cash until the crash happens
    My largest position is in cash but hedges are always an important part of challenging your assumptions. To me that means some of my money belongs in the market. The entire point of the exercise is to hedge against the possibility of a crash not happening and challenge what I think I know. Its also challenging history too though, which is always a pretty dicey proposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    as for your risk approach, I advise to look elsewhere than simple stop-loss, which is completely inadequate if you expect a real crash
    Please elaborate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    well playing with stop-loss is not going to help you mitigate risks
    Please elaborate

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    October is always a dangerous month for crash,

    sell everything, buy back later at cheaper or same cost or a bit higher, think of it as an insurance premium

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    So that was the big reveal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    as for your risk approach, I advise to look elsewhere
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    October is always a dangerous month for crash, sell everything
    Nah think I'll just stick with what I've got going and keep running up the gains until actual numbers say otherwise (hence the entire point of the trailing stops) thanks though.

    A strategy based on history wouldn't have me in the market at these prices in the first place so I'm sure the hell not gonna narrow my approach down. How would the idea of pulling all my money out make more sense than a simple tight stop loss of say 5% to run up the gains with minimal losses? Not that I'm going to do that because a tight stop like that is clearly a dumb idea, but its surely a better idea than just pulling money out for some arbitrary idea like "its October" when the bull market is running hotter than ever. Why do that when a tight stop could expose you to all gains with incredibly minimal downside? Plus you understand that there has only been a little over 100 Octobers in US market history right? That sample size is subject to random error and high standard deviations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    this is what everyone is saying already but thanks for telling us again what is all over investment websites
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    October is always a dangerous month for crash,
    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    So that was the big reveal?
    I would say the emperor has no clothes but that feels like it would just be insulting to the naked emperor.

    Hoping someone else will have something more constructive to add to this
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    Outlook: Up and down with the support of 1,650/1,630 points

    Outlook:
    The SET Index for Oct-17 is expected to weaken, with the support of 1,650/1,630 points and the resistance of 1,680/1,700 points,
    due to profit taking from foreign investors as the year end is nearing.

    Our anticipation is based on the fact that the current index implies upside of a mere 3% vs. our 2018E base-case SET target of 1,720 points
    and the geopolitical risk in the Korean Peninsula is increasing. In addition, the Feds decision to reduce its balance sheet by US$10mn/month
    may have some impact on financial markets.

    Internally, we expect the Thai equity market to see limited momentum due to the royal cremation ceremony and the expected absence of a
    positive surprise from banks earnings (earnings growth in large banks is expected to be limited while smaller banks with a focus on auto hire
    purchase are likely to report better growth).


    Recommended Stocks:
    Stocks with short-term positive catalysts or with expected strong earnings growth in 3Q17E,
    i.e., BCP, BDMS, CPALL, DELTA, IRPC, QH, SPALI, STEC, TCAP and TISCO.


    October Statistics:
    Based on ten-year historical data (2007-2016), there was a 30% possibility that the SET Index in the month of October
    would close negative, with an average return of -1.1%MoM, a maximum return of +7.3%MoM (in 2007) and a minimum return of -30.2%MoM (in 2008).
    The market continued to lower -0.9%MoM in November before turning positive again in December at +1.6%MoM.


    Fund Flow:
    The ten-year historical data for the month of October (2007 2016) also shows that foreign investors net sold at an average of -Bt575mn
    and continued to do so at -Bt16.2bn and Bt6.7bn in November and December, respectively.


    Catalysts:
    i) reports of banks 3Q17 earnings results;
    ii) Thai economic growth, especially in terms of exports; and
    iii) buying on LTF/RMF funds.


    Concerns:
    i) the expectation that the ECB will announce reducing its QE size in its meeting this month;
    ii) uncertain US politics;
    iii) growing geopolitical tension in the Korean Peninsula;
    iv) profit taking/portfolio adjustments by foreign investors;
    v) suspended activities, especially for entertainment, due to the royal cremation ceremony.


    Thanks to KT ZMICO Securities

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    that's the problem with amateur investors, they don't do the research, too lazy or incapable of calculating metrics,

    and make rough decisions that usually ends in tear because they were doing "superficial" calculation, that of course "hide" the true valuation of stocks

    there are plenty of 5% dividend stock on the SET that also rise in value and increase their dividends, give it a try
    hank u for the reply. please now address the point i made.

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    chalky can u get a visa letter on the strength of the tmb account.

    butters please try to curb your antagonistic nature.. its fine in the lounge but no fucking use to me as an amateur investor. i only come to td, one for a laugh which some one provides daily, and two to hone my education.
    i accept u may well be a guru, so have something to teach me. but u are no fucking use to society as a teacher.... please get over yourself

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    Quote Originally Posted by lob View Post
    chalky can u get a visa letter on the strength of the tmb account.

    butters please try to curb your antagonistic nature.. its fine in the lounge but no fucking use to me as an amateur investor. i only come to td, one for a laugh which some one provides daily, and two to hone my education.
    i accept u may well be a guru, so have something to teach me. but u are no fucking use to society as a teacher.... please get over yourself
    Not sure if this answers your question but for my last visa extension they said embassy letter is enough and no need for a bank letter. 100 bt wasted, though next year I expect some uniform to own a shaking head when I turn up without a bank letter.

    If 'butters' is Dragonfly, good idea to contribute without talking down to everyone like the other forum hooligans.

    PTG now 24.30 and still going north.

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    butters does get picked on a lot as u may well know, however he will only get bollockings from me not bullying. he only cheapens his value by talking shit that has no bearing on this blog. butters please contribute , i wish to learn.

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    my replies are getting deleted, and when I try to expose investment mistakes or frauds by some here, I get insulted

    not much more to say, but I can simply tell you what to avoid before making mistakes

    Stop loss to mitigate market risk and market crash is NOT a good option,

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    So that was the big reveal?
    nothing to reveal, it's more about common sense

    if you believe there is a crash coming because markets are overvalued, then it's time to put money where your mouth is, and that is to take your profits and stay in cash

    for larger portfolios, it takes tmes to switch to cash, so you can start shorting S&P Futures or even a S&P ETF or some Index that best represent your investment strategy (Russell 2000) to protect yourself temporarily from an upcoming big drop

    99% of small investors will fail making money in markets over the long run, like they would if playing the casinos, and will lag in terms of returns some kind of broad market index with no particular investment trend.

    Stop loss should be the less of your worries when investing as it's inadequate for 99% of small investors, it's all about investment style allocation and managing those allocations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Stop loss to mitigate market risk and market crash is NOT a good option,
    For the tenth time: Why?

    Explain your rationale

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    for larger portfolios, it takes tmes to switch to cash, so you can start shorting S&P Futures or even a S&P ETF or some Index that best represent your investment strategy (Russell 2000) to protect yourself temporarily from an upcoming big drop
    Terrible advice that exposes you to no theoretical loss limit. Only a fool would short this bull market

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