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    Ahhh, as you will notice in this picture they have formed a concrete beam halfway up the wall, this will give it the strength it needs Texpat.

    Also it seems that a lot of the wood for forming the posts has been stolen or destroyed, in this picture you can see posts with formwork, finished posts and posts that haven't been started on.



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    Here we have an exciting action shot of the labourers pouring concrete into the form work.



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    Do they ever use vibrating pokers or are they agitating the pour with anything?
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    This is Thailand Dougal, so no they aint agitating the pour, generally you can get away without agitating the pour, note the word generally, it is bad practise though and there is no way you would be allowed to get away with that in a normal country, I would say that 99 percent of the time the beam comes out ok, and with labour being so cheap here why worry if you have to smash down 1 beam out of every 100, my vibrator cost about 18,000baht and is petrol run, but the way they are running at the moment on this job they would do just aswell with a long piece bamboo.

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    Just to give you a better idea of the next floors beamwork at the shophouses, here is a picture I took of a house being built where we are working, at moment they are tieing up the rebar, well one or 2 of them are the others are just sitting there going wot the fok am I doing up here when it's 100 foking degrees Well something like that I should imagine, so next time you think Thais are lazy I will pay you one days salary for every 2 hours of work you can manage, Thai salary that is



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    As you can see in this picture they have used precast concrete beams for the floor or ceiling depending which way you look at it, these are about 5cms thick, you can see in this picture that they are supported with wood to stop them sagging or them breaking when they do the concrete pour on top of it, alas they always sag and if it is the roof area this is where water will saty due to the sagging in the middle.






    Anyway I had a quick climb up their makeshift ladder today risking life and limb to see if they had done the pour on the second floor, and yep, here it is





    On this block of shop houses they are still doing the beamwork for the second floor.






    The original block they are now doing the beamwork on the 3rd floor, things are zooming along at a nice pace



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    I suppose you are all just as anxious as me as to how they are getting along with these shop houses, well it still seems they are lacking in staff, maybe due to the rice planting season perhaps.











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    Rebar and beams.









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    Well I am still disappointed at the pace of work, lack of workers I should imagine plus all the rainy days we have had in the past few weeks, the beam work is now up for both buildings second floor, but will they build a third floor?



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    When they use small bricks or evne the smaller blocks, why don't they put in a wire mesh BEFORE doing the screen work?

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    They do put in the rebar before doing the form work, or have I missunderstood your post?

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    Well I have to admit to leaving everyone in suspense about what is happening down there, here is a picture I took last week, now looking at this you can see the sky through the concrete plinths, now these are like 30cms wide, 5cms deep and probably upto 5 meters long, you can order the size you need, anyway these are just laid across the beams and then more rebar/steel-work is chucked on top and then another concrete pour is done, as you can see they are supported with old bits of wood so they don't collapse or sag too much, I have to admit everyone we have tiled though the original floor sags in the middle by about 3 cms have to use loads of cement to correct that


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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    here is a picture I took last week,
    Where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    my vibrator cost about 18,000baht and is petrol run,

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    Oh, there.

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    DD, I was asking, why don't they put in a wire mesh or screen on the face of the bricks before they put the layer of cement over it? I would think it would make the wall a lot stronger. All I've ever seen before was to put in nails or pins and then tie the mesh to it, then the cement.


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    Because the red bricks are so small so the render bonds to the wall really good anyway.

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    Very interesting thread.
    To be fair to the Thai's & what gear they have available its not too bad.Just a few points I would like to add the sticks what DD mentioned for running the string line along are called profiles,the beams that go vertical are called column's.Another guy mentioned the column shutter's not being made of steel they are used in the West but are expensive & heavy,timber & ply is still used in the West & works just fine.Just a question for DD are these building's sitting on pile's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobby34
    Just a question for DD are these building's sitting on pile's.
    When you say piles I assume you mean driven in pilings, nope, 3 storeys and less they don't expect you to use pilings, generally the soil conditions here are rock hard, although I have to admit I did look at some land a couple of years ago for 250,000baht per Rai, 5 Rai in all, trouble is the soil was so fine and mainly sand that we would have had to have pilings just for a bungalow

    Also don't forget the wood is a lot heavier here in Thailand, plus it only lasts for about 3 pours, so steel would be the sensible option here on a reasonable size project, the hard bit is getting the reasonable sized projects though

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    Well things are moving on at a snails pace, for some reason they are down to about 5 staff, but it's defineately gonna be at least 3 stories high.


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    Well they are now 4 months into the project and down to about 5 staff, it is right hard to get staff at the moment as there is so much work about, yet it all started off so well, did the contractor take on more work and split his staff? Did the owner run out of money? All this and more I shall find out next week.

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    Regarding those red bricks (I know they aren't load bearing): it looks like an enterprising person could just punch through them and help themselves to whatever's in there. Are they as weak as they look?

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    Once they are rendered off inside and out you will need a sledge hammer.

    I did want to catch a picture before they done the beams, still they haven't started on the fronts of the other block yet.

    So what's happening here we ask ourselves? This is the entrance or exit to, from the balconey, first up they lay the bricks upto where the height of the glass work will go, drill some holes and chuck in some rebar, stick a form round it and then pour the concrete to make the beam, leave the form work in and then brick up to the top where one of the main beams are.


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    Is there any reason why instead of using concrete for the walls bricks are used instead? I know the bricks are merely dried in teh sun so it can't be for load bearing reasons. Less weight? Cheaper? Or the lack of wood making it difficult to pour forms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak
    Is there any reason why instead of using concrete for the walls bricks are used instead? I know the bricks are merely dried in teh sun so it can't be for load bearing reasons. Less weight? Cheaper? Or the lack of wood making it difficult to pour forms?
    I would hazzard a guess that its a lot cheaper,reinforced concrete is expensive.I do agree with you that the blocks/bricks they're using are crap,maybe DD could tell us the difference in price for a m2 of block work to a m2 of rc wall.At the end of the day why pay all the extra,if somebody wants to get into the property they will take out a window or door with the big hammer.

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