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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    PEA soup with ham. One of my favs. Enjoy.
    Dunno if I will be able to post the photos and numerous videos from that still-some-way-off pool party, Norton cos strictly speaking it's fu... nothing to do with the building thread, and it might incriminate government officials...

    PEA soup..mmm mmmm... its a winner. Mushy PEA's not bad either. Not so keen on processed PEAs. I didnt see any marrow fat PEA's when I was there...

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    Fitting the Duct Banks
















    Another job completed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp View Post
    Another job completed...
    Don't forget the termite tubing.

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    Pouring the ground floor columns


    In the time-honoured way...


    Plenty of supports used.


    Soon my cages will have fattened up and metamorphosed into ... RC columns!!

    Not got too many pics of this.. but we have all seen concrete being poured into columns, right!?

    Only got video of this bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp View Post
    Hi Shutee, welcome and thanks for your input and interest...

    OK.... it depends on the strength and ability of the land to support the load (ie the house) and the size of the house you are building (and engineers will tell me to mention point loading, bearing friction, etc etc!!)

    In our case we took advice from the OrBorTor office. The top layer of ground looks firm but when wet it becomes springy, soft, and slippery i.e not so good. We built up the land in any case with another 1m of as dug material but it was no better than the original layer. Below that however is a much stronger and solid strata and thats what we wanted to get down to.

    Often when you see small slab supports in the soil and a ring beam, it is a single story dwelling, ie much lighter. Someone will have done that calculation for the point loading and the strength of the soil and determined how many uprights are needed. As you say, the ring (plinth) beam and slab ties it all together. Its a sort of raft foundation, spreading the load so as nothing sinks.

    Our 'dwelling' , when finished will have 2 stories and a substantial roof, with a footprint of 256m3. its being built in 2 stages - zone A and B now and zone C when funds allow (!).

    So .. we have to pile. Now as to why we went with drill and cast. Simple really... K.Pot (builder) had all the equipment to drill and cast, could make super cages for the drill holes and gave a very good price to do it. Either method would have been Ok; we went with him as he has total control and it's in his interest to do a good job as the house he is then building rests on his pile work.
    Cool. Makes sense to go with the builder, when you have one who knows what he's doing. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Cool. Makes sense to go with the builder, when you have one who knows what he's doing. Thanks.
    happy to help ... where and when might you be building?

    ...and what sort of design?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp View Post
    Some of my 'instructional' sketches...

    As some of you may know, I am not adverse to 'getting the message across' with a scribble or a sketch or two. I'm not the worlds best artist so probably they hinder as much as they help (!) but never the less, as I cant speak a whole lot of Thai, they are a comfort to me and make me feel I am 'contributing' when PJ is on site with K. Pot...



    Again we were discussing outer shutters and inner windows...

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    I've never read of anybody installing something like this in a Thai build ...I'm guessing you intend to use a pressure switch mounted on the window frame to turn off the A/C ? or something more hi-tech ? Each and every window ? Somchai the sparky is going to love that !

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    ha yeah Mike... I wondered if anyone would spot that!! I get carried away sometimes with 1001 ideas popping up all the time. Seemed like a good idea when I wrote it down but as you point out, probably not practical. maybe a pressure switch tho.... lol joking. oh wait... a motion sensor? maybe... but not in the lounge or bedrooms... damn! ...more work needed.

    BTW...I have rejected / dismissed so many ideas before we got to the plans, contract and now the build.

    That pic was about the windows opening inwards to allow for traditional working shutters.

    Ha! I better not upload ALL my scribbles or I might get moved to the 'loony section'....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp View Post


    Need an entrance gate, right? And pedestrian access? OK... my vision but not yet sure if we can do this.
    Hope so... no panic yet but will need to be agreed with the builder before he starts the boundary wall.
    Mate you know that the front gate, front door and rear door can't align as the good luck will be blown out of the house.

    Seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Mate you know that the front gate, front door and rear door can't align as the good luck will be blown out of the house.

    Seriously
    Thanks for that, David... I'm not 100% up to speed with every belief, superstition, spirit requirement and such like. but quickly checking... the house is at an angle to these proposed gates so cannot create an exit freeway!! Access point upstairs is not aligned with anything on the opposite side. Door below is not aligned with access above. kitchen access is at right angles to all the rest. dining room windows (a 4M opening on 2 sides, again not aligned with anything. even the opposite boundary wall pedestrian gate is not lined up with those proposed main gates.

    So ...I think I am 'OK'....

    Thanks for the post though...it's just the sort of thing I would miss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp View Post
    happy to help ... where and when might you be building?

    ...and what sort of design?
    We have 2 rai of flat land by a rural road in Nongbualamphu. A quiet area.

    After many iterations, we still haven't agreed an outline plan that we want to give the architect. Having toyed with two-storeyed ideas, I think maybe I'll not want stairs 20 years from now. So probably a fairly modest single storey with 2 or 3 bedrooms and a relatively large covered verandah to the rear, from where I can sit and watch the trees grow.

    The timeline was supposed to be adding some landfill during this dry season and cracking on with construction the next. Things are already running behind plan, so probably filling at the end of this year and building another year on. I'm in no rush.

    BTW I'd love to send you a 'green' for kicking off this thread, but I have yet to figure out how to do that. Not even sure that I am graced with that privilege yet.

    Good luck with your build. It does seem to be going particularly well so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp View Post
    Thanks for that, David... I'm not 100% up to speed with every belief, superstition, spirit requirement and such like. but quickly checking... the house is at an angle to these proposed gates so cannot create an exit freeway!! Access point upstairs is not aligned with anything on the opposite side. Door below is not aligned with access above. kitchen access is at right angles to all the rest. dining room windows (a 4M opening on 2 sides, again not aligned with anything. even the opposite boundary wall pedestrian gate is not lined up with those proposed main gates.

    So ...I think I am 'OK'....

    Thanks for the post though...it's just the sort of thing I would miss.
    Similar to Thai ideas, the Chinese view of feng shui is that evil spirits travel in straight lines, so they like to put a little wriggle into the driveway and the pathway to ensure that those pesky spirits cannot zoom straight up the drive and into your front door. I'm less clear about Thai beliefs but it is probably best to plan that the gates are offset relative to the house doors and then have your local cultural advisor approve in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Don't forget the termite tubing.
    Dunno what happened to my reply to this, Norton... I actually answered yesterday but for some reason its not showing up in the thread...

    Yes... a reminder was sent to the builder yesterday and i followed it up with a sketch and refresher instructions too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Similar to Thai ideas, the Chinese view of feng shui is that evil spirits travel in straight lines, so they like to put a little wriggle into the driveway and the pathway to ensure that those pesky spirits cannot zoom straight up the drive and into your front door. I'm less clear about Thai beliefs but it is probably best to plan that the gates are offset relative to the house doors and then have your local cultural advisor approve in advance.
    Lol... I'm hoping the builder will build in straight lines and not be influenced by any spirit 'callings' I checked and none of our doors or gates line up in this way so...phew!... more by luck than judgement though..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp View Post
    Dunno what happened to my reply to this, Norton... I actually answered yesterday but for some reason its not showing up in the thread...

    Yes... a reminder was sent to the builder yesterday and i followed it up with a sketch and refresher instructions too.
    Great.

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    Wow lots of great pics, hopefully all the blue pipe is in the right place, hard to change once the floor is poured.
    Looking great and moving right along.

    You're lucky your front and back doors didn't line up or the build would have to start over. That was the first thing my wife asked about when I told her I had plans drawn up, do the front and back doors line up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis4558 View Post
    Wow lots of great pics, hopefully all the blue pipe is in the right place, hard to change once the floor is poured.
    Looking great and moving right along.

    You're lucky your front and back doors didn't line up or the build would have to start over. That was the first thing my wife asked about when I told her I had plans drawn up, do the front and back doors line up.
    I hope so too, Dennis!! lol ...difficult for me to check from Dubai so the OrBorTor Engineer is paying a visit this afternoon. They are fitting the first of the septic tanks today too, I think, so photos will follow soon.

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    The discussion yesterday and today was about grease traps on the grey water outflow, before it meets the soakaway system. thought i had not included it in the contract (I had not) but luckily, K.Pot azssumed I wanted it as part of the waste water scheme and had got it anyway. Hurrah... A builder that thinks for you, not himself. No extra cost for that piece of good luck. I'm pretty happy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp View Post
    Thanks for that, David... I'm not 100% up to speed with every belief, superstition, spirit requirement and such like. but quickly checking... the house is at an angle to these proposed gates so cannot create an exit freeway!! Access point upstairs is not aligned with anything on the opposite side. Door below is not aligned with access above. kitchen access is at right angles to all the rest. dining room windows (a 4M opening on 2 sides, again not aligned with anything. even the opposite boundary wall pedestrian gate is not lined up with those proposed main gates.

    So ...I think I am 'OK'....

    Thanks for the post though...it's just the sort of thing I would miss.
    You have got the bedrooms lined up in the right direction, I hope ? Cannot sleep with your feet pointing east, or the spirits might think you are a corpse and take over your body !

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    You have got the bedrooms lined up in the right direction, I hope ? Cannot sleep with your feet pointing east, or the spirits might think you are a corpse and take over your body !
    OMG another rule!!! Luckily, with the bedroom gymnastics we get up to, my feet are pointing all over the place.

    (then she loosens those cords....)

    I think I'm going to have to get one of those stickers on the ceiling -'do not point feet here', with an arrow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    You have got the bedrooms lined up in the right direction, I hope ?
    Cannot sleep with your feet pointing east, or the spirits might think you are a corpse and take over your body !
    +1

    Though I thought it was that your head couldn't point south (for the reason outlined above).

    Could be a regional variation ... check local customs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    When deciding how to orient the toilets in bathrooms when constructing houses,
    Thais believe they cannot face North/South.

    This one was just sprung on me deciding our new home soon to be built. Go figure...
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Bob View Post
    (8) Do not boil an egg in a rice cooker. It will make your life worse.
    (9) Do not set up a spirit house in the shadow of a house. The owner of the house won't be successful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Bob View Post
    * A staircase must not have four steps, but two, three and six are allowed

    To my opening comment ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Bob View Post
    * The Siamese sleep with their head facing north and their feet pointing south,
    or with the head towards the east and their feet towards the west, because they believe if you sleep with your
    head towards the west, it may be ripped off by the wind and lost, when it must be replaced by an elephant's head.

    According to the old ways of speaking, the north is hua non (pillow for the head) and the south pai tin (side of the feet).
    Because corpses are cremated with their heads facing west, living people must lay down their heads pointing east.

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    Norts ... I saved you the time trying to locate this post ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Expect many more subject to local norms. Here are a few.

    Stairs must be of an odd number.

    Headboard on bed cannot be facing west.

    The builder of the house owns it until you pay him at the pre moving in ceremony. Auspicious day and food a must.

    House will need a Buddha room.

    You will need to have the house inspected/approved by a local elder who deems it fit before you can move in. Auspicious day and food a must.

    Offerings of money and gold must be placed in the footings prior to continuing construction. Auspicious day and food a must.

    Main entry to the house cannot be facing the the end of a road. Ghosts traveling down the road will have a direct path to enter.

    A spirit house is required on the property. Placement of it will be critical.

    A scarecrow (scareghost) like thing must be placed on road entry to the house.

    And finally, a gathering (banquet) of monks and all the neighbors in the house on an auspicious day before it is deemed safe for human habitation. Auspicious day and food a must.

    As you move on to landscaping anything planted that cannot be eaten, while not necessarily considered bad luck, should be avoided.

    The above take precedence over all other practical considerations such as strength of structure, access to rooms, design for living and other irrelevant things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Norts ... I saved you the time trying to locate this post ...
    I'd forgotten all about that.

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    check local customs

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    yes.. I had the same issue with orientation of bedrooms... my plans had feet facing east-ish and that was a big 'no no.. cannot', so had to rotate everything 90 degrees.

    By the way, looking at the roof tiles you sketched, at some early point in thinking/planning of building a house and the materials and style etc. I thought that those tiles were really nice, and then I lived in a wooden house that had them and thought that was great... until it rained. These types of tiles have no rain channels, so if it's windy and raining there can be water ingress, but most importantly, they can only be used on a roof with an extremely steep pitch otherwise you'll have an indoor waterfall on your hands (speaking from first-hand experience here).

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    Greetings Norton and David...

    OK...lets see how we are doing with the great spirit council on the land / sky!

    Stairs must be of an odd number.
    check.. they are

    Headboard on bed cannot be facing west.
    check - will definitely not face west

    The builder of the house owns it until you pay him at the pre moving in ceremony. Auspicious day and food a must.
    He's getting paid... don't know too many Thai builders who work for nothing! 6 week retention at the end so we can check for snags, so..OK... month and a half in limbo, living in 'his' house...

    House will need a Buddha room.
    check - that was SWMBO's only solid request

    You will need to have the house inspected/approved by a local elder who deems it fit before you can move in. Auspicious day and food a must.
    yes..it will happen - she already primed me about this!

    Offerings of money and gold must be placed in the footings prior to continuing construction. Auspicious day and food a must.
    check - ceremony pictures earlier in this thread

    Main entry to the house cannot be facing the the end of a road. Ghosts traveling down the road will have a direct path to enter.
    check - faces at right angles to the road and not at the end

    A spirit house is required on the property. Placement of it will be critical.
    As previously mentioned, shes been looking at gigantic spirit houses - i told her she can buy what ever she likes with her money...

    A scarecrow (scareghost) like thing must be placed on road entry to the house.
    Is this that next door guy who looks like he last had a wash in 1972? not? ahh ok... so a trip to Toys-R-us 'scareghost' section s needed, but not until the end, right?

    And finally, a gathering (banquet) of monks and all the neighbors in the house on an auspicious day before it is deemed safe for human habitation. Auspicious day and food a must.
    yeah yeah.. more food and drink... sure no probs but they are not getting in the pool, I'm sure thats not on the spirit list of 'things-to-do', right?!

    As you move on to landscaping anything planted that cannot be eaten, while not necessarily considered bad luck, should be avoided.

    so, my magnolia is out, then? what about flowers? cant eat them all.... i will avoid ... telling the spirits about then, thats the solution...

    cheers!!

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