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    14 breakers is fine I would get a box with more knockouts then that. I think mine had 16 and you don't have to use them all. Just knock them out when you want to add a circuit & breaker.

    Another thing to consider is forced ventilation in the attic spaces. I made my own by adding large cfm fans in the attic space to pull air out. Switched them using a thermostatic switch. 25c and they turn on. Below 25 the shut off.

    Pretty standard in Florida homes where I'm from. Kinda like a bathroom fart fan but for the attic space and bigger of course. Pulls hot air out.

    I made my own for about 4,000 baht all in and used the day labor guys to help install. Mounted the controller by the breaker box in the house. Can set it at any temp you want. Thousands of times better than relying on natural convection to ventilate up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    Let's hope you can find the right people to do the work.

    Sounds very impressive, mate. Good luck with it.
    Thanks CJ... as some others have said with regards to their build... yes it will be quite large but, i have waited for a long time and i deserve it!

    I have been without a real home of my own for 11 years, including 9 here in the ME. Its time for that to change, and... it is long term, retirement, etc


    Right people? yup...thats the niggling doubt in the back of my mind too... finding those people.

    Because of my 'day job' commitment, I have had no chance to look for the people needed for any of the construction as yet.

    Maybe I can persuade some of your tradesmen up there to travel South for a few months and live on site here to get it built, so feel free to recommend anyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    14 breakers is fine I would get a box with more knockouts then that. I think mine had 16 and you don't have to use them all. Just knock them out when you want to add a circuit & breaker.

    Another thing to consider is forced ventilation in the attic spaces. I made my own by adding large cfm fans in the attic space to pull air out. Switched them using a thermostatic switch. 25c and they turn on. Below 25 the shut off.

    Pretty standard in Florida homes where I'm from. Kinda like a bathroom fart fan but for the attic space and bigger of course. Pulls hot air out.

    I made my own for about 4,000 baht all in and used the day labor guys to help install. Mounted the controller by the breaker box in the house. Can set it at any temp you want. Thousands of times better than relying on natural convection to ventilate up there.
    Cheers Slick... I like this better than my own plan. seems a no brainer with the thermo- control. ..its added!! thanks.

    There is a lot of heat up in that attic, even more so, probably between the tiles and the insulation so... did anyone in Florida ever attempt a piped water heating system in that small space? (basically running a thin pipe/pipes in the space tween tile and reflective insulation to pull heat.)

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    Just as I expected, very well organised, but going by previous builds here on TD, you will need to keep your eyes open 24/7.

    One of there "slovenly" ways when concreting is to throw the mesh on the floor, now that truly upsets me ! I know you will have palpitations I'm sure...

    Excellent read, thanks for sharing .

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    If It's any help, the 14 drilled wells registered with the the Department of Groundwater Resources in Tambon Bo Thong, Amphur Bo Thong, Changwat Chonburi have an average depth of 63 metres and and an average yield of 4.87 cu.m./hour.

    Obviously if you are in a different tambon, the results will vary. The database lists specific villages and coordinates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shy Guava View Post
    If It's any help, the 14 drilled wells registered with the the Department of Groundwater Resources in Tambon Bo Thong, Amphur Bo Thong, Changwat Chonburi have an average depth of 63 metres and and an average yield of 4.87 cu.m./hour.

    Obviously if you are in a different tambon, the results will vary. The database lists specific villages and coordinates.
    Now, that's the kind of information one needs.
    Where did you get it from?
    Is it online.

    Good work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shy Guava View Post
    If It's any help, the 14 drilled wells registered with the the Department of Groundwater Resources in Tambon Bo Thong, Amphur Bo Thong, Changwat Chonburi have an average depth of 63 metres and and an average yield of 4.87 cu.m./hour.

    Obviously if you are in a different tambon, the results will vary. The database lists specific villages and coordinates.
    wow... ShyGuava.. a big help and .... how did you get that info?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Metal View Post
    Just as I expected, very well organised, but going by previous builds here on TD, you will need to keep your eyes open 24/7.

    One of there "slovenly" ways when concreting is to throw the mesh on the floor, now that truly upsets me ! I know you will have palpitations I'm sure...

    Excellent read, thanks for sharing .
    LOL...DM..I thought you were referring to my 'slovenly' ways upstairs in the private quarters for a minute! yeah ... dead right... sharp eyed supervision 24/7, or is that 25/8 like here on the airport? either way... I definitely cannot start until i can give 100% of my time to it on site...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101
    Let's hope you can find the right people to do the work.
    Being in Chonburi with many builders who build quality hotels, resturants, here's what I would do and actually did to find my builder. Check around tourist ares. Find some building you like and find out who built it. Get them contracted. Will pay more than the locals but money well spent.

    Good chance you will find a builder with experience in meeting all your wish lists, must haves, etc.

    Etceras can be expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101
    Let's hope you can find the right people to do the work.
    Being in Chonburi with many builders who build quality hotels, resturants, here's what I would do and actually did to find my builder. Check around tourist ares. Find some building you like and find out who built it. Get them contracted. Will pay more than the locals but money well spent.

    Good chance you will find a builder with experience in meeting all your wish lists, must haves, etc.

    Etceras can be expensive.
    so true! (esp. the etc.!!)

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    Well... I just noticed my first brainstorm moment with the plot location.

    When I said Chonburi, I meant Krab... no no... scratch that..I said we were near to Bo Thong, within 5 km, but I was looking at Bo Kwang Thong. durrr.

    So in my best Monty Python accent..''when I say 5km, it is in fact 25km (to Bo Thong)

    sorry bout dat...

    I'm definitely right about Chonburi Province though. I think...
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    Let me clarify the location for all:



    This is the actual land location. Plot 2 at the front, adj to the small road, the original plot 1 at the back, with some 'resort-type sketchings to see if its 'possible' No, im not saying I will do it, just seeing if could be done!



    Here's the surrounding area, with a helpful indication of the distance to Bo Thong from the plots



    Here's the location in relation to BKK, Pattaya and Reyong. the plot has a large yellow pin constructed for reference

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    The website giving well information throughout the country is all in Thai but easy enough to use if you can read it or have someone who can:

    ::??????????????????????????? ::

    "http://app.dgr.go.th/newpasutara/xml/Krabi.files/" (without the inverted commas)

    On some computers (mine anyway) the link will just look like a bunch of question marks but should still work if clicked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shy Guava View Post
    The website giving well information throughout the country is all in Thai but easy enough to use if you can read it or have someone who can:

    ::??????????????????????????? ::

    "http://app.dgr.go.th/newpasutara/xml/Krabi.files/" (without the inverted commas)

    On some computers (mine anyway) the link will just look like a bunch of question marks but should still work if clicked.
    Thanks Shy, im just looking at it now.

    Yes.. it opens (from the posted link, anyway).. will get PJ to read it up this evening when I get home from work

    Great contribution - thanks again

    edit.. yeah... both routes to that page work. i have bookmarked it for the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp View Post
    DESIGN part 4
    18. Separate office. I am planning ahead that this could become a downstairs bedroom if the stairs become too difficult.
    That's a GREAT idea.

    My background is in Property ... and I am a qualified sparkie, though haven't worked in the trade for a long, long time.

    Re the downstairs bedroom. Spoke with a property developer once and mentioned that his sales were slow and mainly to younger couples. He misread the demographic of his target market which were, in that locality, 50+

    He built all 2 and 3 bedroom townhouses, ALL with upstairs bedrooms in Stage 1 and his target market were looking for a downstairs master bedroom so, as they aged, they didn't have to negotiate the stairs.

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    Slick's idea of a thermostatically controlled fan is great. I have one in my ceiling in the West. But it's trigger is set higher then 25 C because that would equate to the minimum ambient temperature most of the time in Thailand.

    Set @ 25C might have it running all the time, thus negating the bonus of the thermostat.

    Mine is set at a higher trigger temperature. The temp you set it at depends entirely on your roof/Ceiling design.

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    Re the circuit breakers. I don't know if you are going to use a earth leakage circuit breaker (ELCB)/residual current devices ... or a series of them. I hope you are.



    Consider this ...

    Install dedicated circuit for your fridge. Once circuit, one outlet, just for your fridge and it probably doesn't need to be through the ELCB.

    The reason being is that, if something triggers the ELCB while you are away for the week-end, power to the fridge is not tripped and you don't come home to a hot fridge full of spoiled food.

    Also a separate circuit for your washing machine, on a dedicated ELCB because the washing machine can sometimes cause nuisance tripping and the rest of the house stays powered up while you sort the washing machine issue.


    In Australia, we usually run 15 GPO's / Power Points per circuit.
    I have 2 power circuits running off 1 ELCB and the only time it tripped was when I put a knife down the toaster.

    You'd think a sparkie would know better ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    Another thing to consider is forced ventilation in the attic spaces. I made my own by adding large cfm fans in the attic space to pull air out. Switched them using a thermostatic switch. 25c and they turn on. Below 25 the shut off.

    Pretty standard in Florida homes where I'm from. Kinda like a bathroom fart fan but for the attic space and bigger of course. Pulls hot air out.
    The power conditions in USA and other world are quite different. Years ago the statistics claimed the power consumption per capita in USA is 4 x times higher than e.g. in Europe. Because of the energy prices.

    However, the times are changing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
    Plumbing

    27. separate systems for black and grey water
    28. all black water furniture to be against or very close to external walls
    29. three smaller septic tank arrangements, passing the fluid element to a single tank adj to the drain field
    30. water holding tanks to regulate the supply to the house
    What sort of hot water heating do you have in mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD
    My background is in Property ... and I am a qualified sparkie, though haven't worked in the trade for a long, long time.
    You sound ideal for my construction team... what are your rates?!

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD
    Re the circuit breakers. I don't know if you are going to use a earth leakage circuit breaker (ELCB)/residual current devices ... or a series of them. I hope you are.
    Most definitely.

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD
    Install dedicated circuit for your fridge. Once circuit, one outlet, just for your fridge and it probably doesn't need to be through the ELCB.
    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD
    Also a separate circuit for your washing machine, on a dedicated ELCB because the washing machine can sometimes cause nuisance tripping and the rest of the house stays powered up while you sort the washing machine issue.
    Thanks for that. I thought... cooker/oven = big draw... could just cause a prob. Didn't think of those other two, mainly because we do not tend to put them on separate circuits, here or in UK. Well.. I didn't , anyway..

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD
    You'd think a sparkie would know better ...
    ahh.. forget my employment offer!! lol. No Thai sparkie would ever make such a mistake...

    Thanks for all your useful input once again, David. just as i thought, I am going to learn a lot from this great forum. As I always tell my teams here, ''none of us know everything, but collectively, we probably know most things..''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
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    27. separate systems for black and grey water
    28. all black water furniture to be against or very close to external walls
    29. three smaller septic tank arrangements, passing the fluid element to a single tank adj to the drain field
    30. water holding tanks to regulate the supply to the house
    What sort of hot water heating do you have in mind?
    Hi Norton. well, I want something cheap or free, of course!

    TBH, I have not swung the telescope onto this in any detail. you saw from a previous post I was asking if anyone had harnessed that heat in the roof tween tile and reflective barrier?

    I'm certainly thinking about solar heating options. the trouble is...I do not want panels on my roof. I guess such panels could be mounted elsewhere though. i was also thinking about an elevated tank to feed hot water to the house, not sure if thats efficient for the heating though - you know, a tank holding a days hot water, painted black, something like that.

    I was also looking at a series of small bore black pipes, in a small enclosure under glass, for max heat absorption. again, im not a fluid dynamics /heat exchange engineer so hopefully others can tell me if such an arrangement would raise temp sufficiently to be usable. either/both options feeding to insulated tankage WITHIN the house. sound elaborate, i know and im all for keeping things simple so maybe im a bit OTT here?

    ..and when all's said n done, i guess... individual heaters at the point of use, heat what you use only. that could be fed from party heated water to reduce power usage

    I suppose the question I should be asking is... what has everybody else done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
    what has everybody else done
    I have a boiler. 100 litre Seimans. All faucets are mixer type.
    Looked into solar but as with you didn't want it on roof. Several ground mounted models available but lot too small so didn't do solar. Your property big so consider ground mounted. Available at most major hardware stores.

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    The black poly pipe system works well but the best place for it is in the roof so I guess that's out.
    We have separate boilers for the showers, works well. We haven't bothered with hot running water in the kitchen or bathroom sinks as it's really not needed.
    If I ever get round to building the spa - when pigs fly - we'll go the poly-pipe route. It's simple and very effective. We built a spa in FNQ a few years back and our only problem was the water getting too hot. Easily remedied though.
    In Thailand, if I was building again I'm pretty sure I'd still go for separate boilers for the shower. Electricity is very cheap and a good quality boiler, correctly installed should last a far while.

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    Hi CJ.. thanks for your input and thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101
    The black poly pipe system works well but the best place for it is in the roof so I guess that's out.
    The heat is in the roof for sure. i dont want big heat build up actually in the roof space BUT... as mentioned previously, I was interested to know if it could be possible to mount a pipe system BETWEEN the external roof tiles and the reflective insulation, just under those tiles? I figured this would be a very hot location and in theory its possible but im not sure of the practicalities.

    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101
    We have separate boilers for the showers, works well. We haven't bothered with hot running water in the kitchen or bathroom sinks as it's really not needed.
    The separate boilers means the power usage only grows if more people are in more rooms using more hot water. At other times those additional boilers are not used so no cost. The only thing is, if they deteriorate with longer periods of non-use? In our BKK accommodation, we have just such a localised boiler and its fine for showers.
    Trouble is, I like a bath, and the master suite will have a jacuzzi tub. Showers everywhere else tho. Am i right in thinking that those small bathroom boilers can service both the shower AND the sink hot tap? maybe i got that wrong.Maybe i just get a bigger boiler arrangement for the master suite to cope with my bathing arrangements.

    For the above, if i had some sort of primary solar heating arrangement, it would raise the start point of temperature for the boiler to finish off. Yes, electricity is cheap, but the price only ever goes up so longer term, this might save some of the heating costs.

    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101
    If I ever get round to building the spa - when pigs fly - we'll go the poly-pipe route.
    I will also be looking at a separate system for solar water heating if and when we build the swimming pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
    what has everybody else done
    I have a boiler. 100 litre Seimans. All faucets are mixer type.
    Looked into solar but as with you didn't want it on roof. Several ground mounted models available but lot too small so didn't do solar. Your property big so consider ground mounted. Available at most major hardware stores.
    So Norton, you went with a single , larger water boiler to service all the outlets? A similar arrangement to what i had in Uk, and also here in Abu Dhabi.

    How many showers / sinks is it servicing? do you ever run out of hot water? part of that question will depend on how many persons are in the home and using the available hot water, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
    How many showers / sinks is it servicing?
    Kitchen, 3 showers, washing machine and a bath tub.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Dhupp
    do you ever run out of hot water?
    Not yet with 100 litre. Daily use by 4. Larger boilers avalable if your usage more. Boiler located in storeroom. Upvc hot water pipe to all mixers. Plus for me is not having electrics hanging off the wall right next to where you're standing in water.

    Your call but I'd go with the boiler first and after you get your garden in and have a good sunny spot for a ground mounted solar heater simply run hot water into the boiler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Your call but I'd go with the boiler first and after you get your garden in and have a good sunny spot for a ground mounted solar heater simply run hot water into the boiler.
    Yup, get the basic necessities covered with boiler(s) and mess around with solar or polypipe later on.

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