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    Quote Originally Posted by wefearourdespot
    Besides, you can't take out more than 500,000 baht in cash, and scanners can easily detect cash wads in suitcases.
    So how did he buy Manchester City then??? pocket fluff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wefearourdespot
    A despicable event for sure, yet I wonder why Thaksin was charged for such an insignificant thing like selling land to his wife instead of something serious like killing 85 people.
    Why not try over 2,500 people with his "war on drugs"
    Now I understand why Thailand 'aint signed up to the Hague!

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    I can post this shite all day (but I won't).
    This will be my last post on this thread unless wefearbogonandtherestofTD surfaces from his Wall St wheeler dealing buying and selling shares on Somchai's moo daeng stall and Tittipon's fresh coffee booth on the 4th floor of Central Bang Na.

    In short, Thaksin’s political life seemed well on its way to being relieved of some burden. Even this burden should not have been taken as seriously as many observers and political actors did, thus increasing political tension. After all, in a democracy, one should not be too surprised that some people are unhappy with what the government does. Neither should the public demonstration of such dissent be perceived as something unusual in an open political order. In any case, Thaksin himself fanned the flames with the sale of his company, Shin Corporation, for 73 billion baht to the investment holding Temasek, after Shin’s share value had tremendously increased since 2001 during Thaksin’s time in office. With this transaction, important government concessions for the biggest mobile phone network and the satellite monopoly, a low-cost airline, a television channel, an Internet service provider, a marketing firm, and others in effect became the property of the government of Singapore, which is the owner of Temasek.
    Black diamonds? I shit 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wefearourdespot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    The Red Shirts were offered a new election, but rejected it.
    Nope, the gov attempted to trick them into leaving the stronghold with a false promise, but they were smart enough to smell the rat and rejected it.
    Which is all idle speculation and based upon a future that we'll never know about. Unless you are gifted with an ability to foretell such things. Can you? Do you have the gift?
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogon View Post
    I can post this shite all day (but I won't).
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    good!

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    ^ Why "good" tsicar?
    Not a very constuctive post eh? Do you have anything to add or are you just bored and trying to get a cheap smug feeling?.
    Don't think many readers will actually bother absorbing your four letter post for future reference. It adds nothing to the thread and makes you look kinda desperate looking.
    Broken my promise not to type anymore on this thread, so I guess you got the required attention you were after.
    If you shout "look at me, look at me" down the playground you might get the same warm feeling.
    Run along, nothing to see here.....................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogon View Post
    ^ Why "good" tsicar?

    because all of the thaksin stuff has been done to death already.
    i happen to think thaksin is probably the best thing that ever happened in thailand:

    you don't.

    i prefer not to argue the point with you, simply because it will probably end up in the all too familiar "robertson cycle" we see so often here.
    my remark was not meant to offend you, i just thought it would be better if this part of the debate was left to die a natural death, and you offered a way out.
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    redirecting, please be patient..........:

    hello, insect!
    brrrzzzt, brrrzzzt..................

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    Quote Originally Posted by wefearourdespot View Post
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    1 - Thaksin and his cronies withdrew what they could carry and left the country carrying billions in cash and gold in suitcases.
    How could this happen ? Thaksin was off country when the coup was staged , and did not come back until 2008 , when all his bank accounts were frozen.
    Besides, you can't take out more than 500,000 baht in cash, and scanners can easily detect cash wads in suitcases.
    Wow. You are naïve.

    Hint : Diplomatic luggage is exempt from any scanning or other searches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by wefearourdespot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    The Red Shirts were offered a new election, but rejected it.
    Nope, the gov attempted to trick them into leaving the stronghold with a false promise, but they were smart enough to smell the rat and rejected it.
    Which is all idle speculation and based upon a future that we'll never know about. Unless you are gifted with an ability to foretell such things. Can you? Do you have the gift?
    Wow, didn't know despot had precognitive powers and a time machine.

    I always it when the only answer theybare able to counter with is : "that was just a bluff by evil Abhisit". The way to expose a bluff, is to call it, you know.

    I do believe Abhisit was genuine in his offer. I also believe he felt safe making it, knowing full well the Reds would be too dumb to accept it. He was right.

    ...and you know what, that's really what it all comes down to. Doesn't it? After you guys' predicting how Abhisit would lose, resign, and what terrible decisions he made - here he is, still in charge, and the Reds have disintegrated, disbanded and lost all face and credibility. You just can't deal with the fact that you are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick View Post
    I suspect the UDD leaders may be offered a 'deal' to reveal all they know about the man and his involvement in funding the protests.
    The Ghost of the Moog-

    Do they get to keep the money that Thaksin has paid them? Or does that go into army coffers.

    Perhaps Thaksin has thought this through, and won't pay them if they tell tales.

    Interesting question, the leaders allegedly have bought houses and cars already with the cash Thaksin forwarded, which may have been destined for other uses, such as weapons (not everyones cup of tea, so maybe the leaders decided on a less violent encounter) Hopefully we will all learn a wee bit more in the next few weeks. [/quote]

    I'm quite certain if Khun T funded the protest - he was smart enough to cover his tracks. I'd wager there will be no direct link and most of the dosh came through banks/business. (prob why the warrant on terrorism charges was suspended)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsicar
    because all of the thaksin stuff has been done to death already. i happen to think thaksin is probably the best thing that ever happened in thailand: you don't. i prefer not to argue the point with you, simply because it will probably end up in the all too familiar "robertson cycle" we see so often here. my remark was not meant to offend you, i just thought it would be better if this part of the debate was left to die a natural death, and you offered a way out.
    Thanks for taking the time to explain yourself.
    I was a bit pent up and agree this subject has been done a million times.
    Over and out........

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    I do believe Abhisit was genuine in his offer. I also believe he felt safe making it, knowing full well the Reds would be too dumb to accept it. He was right.
    Hand puppet Mark may have been genuine, or near enough for all I know. I think the deal was pulled by people other than him, some in the government some not. Hardliners, if you like. Well we can all see the aftermath, so if thats your definition of a victory I'll leave it with you. I think it was an awful blunder.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    here he is, still in charge, and the Reds have disintegrated, disbanded and lost all face and credibility
    We now have a 'Roadmap' leading to elections towards the end of this year. No such thing existed before the UDD protests. Abhisits secretary general confirmed the government is still working towards this- although once again, I'll take it with a grain of salt because there are certainly hardline elements associated with the Dem's that would like to avoid elections at all costs. We all know why.

    Incidentally, the UDD has not disbanded as an organisation- it still exists and has many, many members and followers. Don't fool yourself there. I assume you were referring to the Red shirt protests though. Most observers here believe that their 'party' would win a Thai democratic election tomorrow. So hardly a spent force.

    I honestly do not think Abhisit is in charge at all, unfortunately. Whatever his personal attributes, Thailand still does not have an effective government. It rarely has, throughout it's pseudo democratic history- probably the sole exception was the Thaksin administration, whatever you may think of the man. It's pretty obvious that a significant section of the Thai elite want it exactly that way.

    Anyway, to quote that pro-government Thai Senator, "No one won. Everybody lost". At best, the problem has been deferred, but probably made more cantankerous. I think where it goes from here will largely depend on the governments display of good faith- if the Hardliners get their way, things could get an awful lot worse. So I'll be cheering on the Abhisit faction, absolutely not the PAD who threaten to reduce this country to ruin.
    Last edited by sabang; 21-05-2010 at 07:37 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
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    the leaders allegedly have bought houses and cars already with the cash Thaksin forwarded,
    and just where does this gem come from ?


    It was reported in a thread some days ago Mid. As there are so many threads and posts relating to the conflict it may prove an extremely difficult task to track the actual post down.

    If i come across it i will forwarded it. I would also add that it is against my principles to invent a story especially as i do not wish to take sides in this conflict.

    It may or may not be true, that is why i used the word 'allegedly' in my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by britmaveric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick View Post
    I suspect the UDD leaders may be offered a 'deal' to reveal all they know about the man and his involvement in funding the protests.
    The Ghost of the Moog-

    Do they get to keep the money that Thaksin has paid them? Or does that go into army coffers.

    Perhaps Thaksin has thought this through, and won't pay them if they tell tales.

    Interesting question, the leaders allegedly have bought houses and cars already with the cash Thaksin forwarded, which may have been destined for other uses, such as weapons (not everyones cup of tea, so maybe the leaders decided on a less violent encounter) Hopefully we will all learn a wee bit more in the next few weeks.
    I'm quite certain if Khun T funded the protest - he was smart enough to cover his tracks. I'd wager there will be no direct link and most of the dosh came through banks/business. (prob why the warrant on terrorism charges was suspended)[/quote]


    Where such large sums of money are involved and are filtered through banks or business's there is always a 'paper trail'.

    That trail can easily be tracked by law enforcers. It is almost impossible to hide the origins of money nowadays. Banks especially are brought to task should they not assist in any investigation, business's threatened with closer should they not reveal their source.

    Although cash withdrawals in Thailand are pretty relaxed try withdrawing in excess of £5000 in cash over the counter from a personal UK account without any questions being asked and you may have a rude awakening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    We now have a 'Roadmap' leading to elections towards the end of this year.
    Oh, we do, do we?

    Australia Network News:Stories:Thai government withdraws election offer

    "... Offer withdrawn ... November elections off the table ..."

    Justifiably so. No reason to reward the Reds now.

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    Why are you posting an article from 13 May? Things have changed since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    We now have a 'Roadmap' leading to elections towards the end of this year.
    Oh, we do, do we?

    Australia Network News:Stories:Thai government withdraws election offer

    "... Offer withdrawn ... November elections off the table ..."

    Justifiably so. No reason to reward the Reds now.
    Wrong daffy. Quack. You should learn to read the, y'know, fine print. As in the date of an article. That article is dated the 13th May.

    Yesterday, ie the 20th, Abhisits secretary general announced that the government was pursuing the Roadmap. Theres a thread on it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogon
    Where's my red?
    Here it is, moron
    Quote Originally Posted by Bogon
    Run out giving to other posters?????
    I give out reds quite rarely, so that I can keep for who really deserves them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by wefearourdespot
    A despicable event for sure, yet I wonder why Thaksin was charged for such an insignificant thing like selling land to his wife instead of something serious like killing 85 people.
    Why not try over 2,500 people with his "war on drugs"
    Now I understand why Thailand 'aint signed up to the Hague!
    This answer is quite explicative of your outstanding level of moronity.
    The Junta tried to incriminate Thaksin to justify its coup, yet was able to find out only such a minor thing like the fact he sold public land to his wife , who btw had made the higher offer , and until now hasn't built a shack over it (she announced she is quite willing to sell it back for the original price + interests).
    Why didn't the Junta use the killings to incriminate Thaksin ? The only possible explanation is that responsibility was not his , and an investigation on that event would have horribly backfired on them.
    Same same must be for the 2,500 dead of the war on drugs , that was possible only if the judiciary kept its eyes closed shut. And who controls the judiciary in Thailand ? Who expressed his concern about spreading drug abuse on Dec the 5th, 2002 , a few months before the war began ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Wrong daffy. Quack. You should learn to read the, y'know, fine print. As in the date of an article. That article is dated the 13th May.

    Yesterday, ie the 20th, Abhisits secretary general announced that the government was pursuing the Roadmap. Theres a thread on it here.
    Got a URL?

    In fact, I would really like to see more details on this claimed 'new roadmap', as I just checked in today's usually news rags, and there is no mention that a casual perusal detected.
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    ^ Duck eats Crow:-

    Govt to move ahead with roadmap

    Govt to move ahead with roadmap
    Published: 20/05/2010 at 04:56 PM

    The government will move ahead with the national reconciliation plan proposed by the prime minister, PM's secretary-general Korbsak Sabhavasu said.

    “It will take about four months to complete it. After the goals of the roadmap are achieved a general election will be held,” Mr Korbsak said.

    He said a suitable election date will be decided by Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.



    So, gonna admit you were wrong there Daffy, like a grown up mallard would?

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    Wefearwhateveryournameis.............
    Is it possible for you to open a new thread in MKP and we can battle it out over there?
    Don't fancy hijacking this thread with me and you sparring over some dude you have no idea about.
    Thaksin has done alot of good for Thailand, but you seem to have you eyes and opinions blinkered.
    I am more than happy to discuss this and reply to your above post in a mature manner, but not here (MKP would suit your style of writing).
    This is my last offer for us to forget about it and agree to disagree.
    The balls in your court.
    Wanna carry on or let this thread roll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    So, gonna admit you were wrong there Daffy, like a grown up mallard would?
    I have absolutely no problem doing, what you yourself would find absolutely impossible to do - admit to having been wrong.

    Particularly if that's the price to pay, to get you to substantiate your statement and post a URL.

    I stand corrected, and I appreciate you finally providing the URL to support your earlier statement. Seriously, thanks.

    Next time, just trying doing so right away - it's kinda silly that I have to resort to this kind of subterfuge to get a URL out of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wtf View Post
    A BBC interviewer asked the Thai Ambassador to the US if he thought Thaksin was behind the trouble. He replied "If you asked 100 Thai people that question, 200 would say yes!"

    I assume he was aiming for emphasis.
    BBC should do a little research


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