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    Thailand army slams Thaksin lawyer over article

    Thailand army slams Thaksin lawyer over article
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    January 11, 2014


    The Thai army has slammed a scathing article written by Robert Amsterdam, one of Thaksin Shinawatra’s lawyers, dismissing it as “groundless accusations” written by a “narrow-minded” person with a hidden agenda.

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    Thailand army slams Thaksin lawyer over article: The Thai army hit back at Thaksin Shinawatra lawyer Robert Amsterdam over a scathing article on his blog, saying the article was defamatory and contained groundless accusations by a “narrow-minded” person with a hidden agenda, according to reports.

    Mr. Amsterdam is a legal adviser for the red-shirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), and is best known in Thailand for being one of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra’s attorneys.

    Several Thai-language media outlets recently ran reports about the article, titled “Life Under a Coup – the Thai Army’s Continual Threat to Thai Democracy”, in which Mr. Amsterdam accuses the Thai army of having “a long and ignoble tradition of stymying democracy, attacking Thai civilians, and meddling in politics”.

    In a response to the Thai media reports, army deputy spokesman Winthai Suwaree on Friday said Mr. Amsterdam’s opinion is based on his “bias against the Thai army and could never be regarded as honest criticism, according to a Bangkok Post report.

    Mr. Suwaree accused Mr. Amsterdam of having a hidden agenda to discredit the Thai army.

    Mr. Amsterdam’s article refers to the military crackdown on the 2010 red-shirt protests as the “Bangkok Massacre”, claiming the army “acted without hesitation” in supporting the Abhisit Vejjajiva-led government “despite that regime having no meaningful democratic mandate”.

    He also accuses the Thai army of “sending snipers to kill unarmed civilians and creating ‘live fire zones’ to project their power”. He claims it is an “undeniable historical fact” that the army always uses this projection of their power to attack democracy.

    Referring to the current Thai political crisis, Mr. Amsterdam goes on to lambast the army for not defending a democratically-elected Thai government, saying their “sordid cast of generals” appear at press conferences making “veiled threats” to elected lawmakers and “rather pathetic mealy-mouthed excuses” about why they must remain neutral in the current crisis.

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    I thought Dear Leader and Amsterdam had a falling out a few years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    Amsterdam accuses the Thai army of having “a long and ignoble tradition of stymying democracy, attacking Thai civilians, and meddling in politics”.
    What part of that statement is other than 100% correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    I thought Dear Leader and Amsterdam had a falling out a few years ago?

    All resolved after Takky paid the long outstanding invoices....

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    How many generals does the Thai army have anyway? I think more than the US and UK combined.

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    ^ ..and they all get free petrol..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9999
    I think more than the US and UK combined.
    the most in any army the ratio of soldiers to generals is staggering. Throw in Admirals and Air Chief Marshalls and its even higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    Mr. Suwaree accused Mr. Amsterdam of having a hidden agenda to discredit the Thai army.
    Robert Amsterdam will be will be proven correct if they stage or facilitate another Coup.
    I thought Dear Leader and Amsterdam had a falling out a few years ago?
    I thought, according to the BK media, Thaksin was dying of pancreatic cancer a few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    The Thai army has slammed a scathing article written by Robert Amsterdam, one of Thaksin Shinawatra’s lawyers, dismissing it as “groundless accusations” written by a “narrow-minded” person with a hidden agenda.
    Robert Amsterdam is Carlyle Group - Same as Thaksin.

    Fvcking scum.

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    "The Thai Army have a long and ignoble tradition of stymying democracy, attacking Thai civilians and meddling in politics. When it has suited their interests – as it did during the Bangkok Massacre in 2010 when they acted without hesitation to support the Abhist Vejjajiva-led regime, despite that regime having no meaningful democratic mandate – they have proved willing and able actors, sending their snipers to kill unarmed civilians and creating “live fire zones” to project their power. That the projection of this power is always used to attack democracy is an undeniable historical fact. The numerous coups that have enforced the suspension of Thai citizens’ political and democratic rights have become such a natural occurrence that the constant threat of coup now seems to be an accepted part of Thailand’s political life."

    Disgusting lying fvcker -

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    Gotta agree with Boo, here...The truth hurts, big time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    Amsterdam accuses the Thai army of having “a long and ignoble tradition of stymying democracy, attacking Thai civilians, and meddling in politics”.
    What part of that statement is other than 100% correct?
    “sending snipers to kill unarmed civilians and creating ‘live fire zones’ to project their power”- also, yes and yes. The truth is the truth, even when it comes from a pettifogger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier
    Robert Amsterdam is Carlyle Group - Same as Thaksin.
    Robert Amsterdam is not, and has never been, with Carlyle Group
    Thaksin was an adviser to Carlyle group in the late 1990's
    Carlyle Group has no investments in Thailand

    You can always verify this on their web site, although those omnipresent CIA black helicopters may tell you different -
    Find a Portfolio Investment | The Carlyle Group
    probes Aliens

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier
    Robert Amsterdam is Carlyle Group - Same as Thaksin.
    Robert Amsterdam is not, and has never been, with Carlyle Group
    Thaksin was an adviser to Carlyle group in the late 1990's
    Carlyle Group has no investments in Thailand

    You can always verify this on their web site, although those omnipresent CIA black helicopters may tell you different -
    Find a Portfolio Investment | The Carlyle Group
    You're right - no direct link, but he's frontman for US/UK corporate lobbyists so it's pretty obvious why he's involved.

    "Robert Amsterdam isn't just any lawyer. He is co-founder of Amsterdam & Peroff, a major corporate member of the globalist nexus Chatham House, an organization that represents the collective interests of the largest corporations and banks on earth. He boasts support from the Economist, a fellow member of the Chatham House, and is afforded an entire page on the Huffington Post to pass off his pedantic legal drivel as "commentary." Then there is the fact that nearly all of his clients are either exiled, on the run, or rotting in prison, yet he is still able to find more "high profile" cases."

    "Since the 2006 military coup that ousted Thaksin Shinawatra, he has been represented by US corporate-financier elites via their lobbying firms including, Kenneth Adelman of the Edelman PR firm (Freedom House, International Crisis Group, PNAC), James Baker of Baker Botts (CFR), Robert Blackwill of Barbour Griffith & Rogers (CFR), Kobre & Kim, and currently Robert Amsterdam of Amsterdam & Peroff (Chatham House)."

    "Just as Robert Amsterdam is doing in Russia, where he is using his "defense" of Khodorkovsky as a point of leverage to support US-backed mobs in Moscow's streets, his defense of Thaksin and his red shirts also aims not at defending his clients legally, but at using their case to undermine and ultimately overturn the sovereign institutions of Thailand. It is done in a concerted effort with the US State Department, the corporate media, and a vast network of US and European subsidized NGOs sowing sedition throughout Thailand itself.

    Amsterdam's presence, amongst a sea of red-shirted Thaksin supporters at the Nitirat conference confirms there is nothing revolutionary at all about Nitirat, beyond perhaps the imagination of those devising Thaksin's political strategy. While the name has been modified, and the label redesigned, at the core we still find Thaksin, his red shirts, and the foreign agenda that drives them both."

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    16. Specific lobbying issues

    Develop and implement a strategic approach to the various international legal and political issues that confront Dr. Thaksin due to the coup of September 19. The firm will monitor the evolution of US policies towards the interim government in Thailand or the Administration's position regarding attempts by Dr. Thaksin to return to Thailand and may subsequently undertake contacts as necessary to ensure that such policies remain consistent with those currently in place

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    ^^ You are looking to, erm, "Tony Cartalucci" (a nom de plume) for support?
    I'm sure you'll enjoy his Twitter account -

    https://twitter.com/LandDestroyr

    Some snippets-

    Tony Cartalucci ‏@LandDestroyr 28 May
    Thai soldier boasts on Facebook about killing Red "buffalo" http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=596867276998016


    Tony Cartalucci ‏@LandDestroyr 6 Jan 12
    Angry New Year to all my three readers! Let's continue the valiant campaign to destroy #thaistory and the fascist shills in 2012.


    Tony Cartalucci ‏@LandDestroyr 18 Nov 11
    @LandDestroyer The Thai & Burmese military are true saviours of their people against evil democrats. We salute them! #thaistory #burmastory


    Tony Cartalucci ‏@LandDestroyr 12 Nov 11
    Thai military should also declare war on #thaistory and @zenjournalist, enemies of Thailand
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    Tony Cartalucci ‏@LandDestroyr 12 Nov 11
    Thailand's freedom fighting military must overthrow the evil Shinawatra globalist mafia in a military coup. #thaistory
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    Please don't read #thaistory. It's better to have a closed mind and try to stifle views that threaten your beliefs.
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    Tony Cartalucci ‏@LandDestroyr 10 Nov 11
    RT @landdestroyer: Fascist aliens corporate @zenjournalist #thaistory globalist shill scumbag Nazis lies disgraced Bhumibol satanic etc etc


    Lots more juicy stuff too. I think he's Thai, but I know he's a fruitcake.

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    Keeping the Fear Alive – How the Thai Army Deals With Critics

    General Prayuth and the Thai Army’s furious response to my recent oped, Life Under A Coup, is typical of a mindset that refuses any notion of democratic accountability or civilian control. That he missed the glaring irony of denying involvement in Thailand’s civil governance whilst unilaterally threatening to bar a critic from the country adds to Prayuth’s image of operating beyond the reach of ordinary, legally sanctioned jurisdiction. It seems as though just speaking the truth to Thailand’s military elicits only threats and venom from them. By such methods – backed up with the constant menace of implied and actual violence – the Thai Army have sustained an atmosphere of fear and loathing in Thailand.


    Thai Army Chief, General Prayuth

    This careful cultivation of fear – built, most recently, upon the corpses of unarmed Thai civilians who died during the 2010 Bangkok Massacre – has now reached such a level of intimidation that only a few voices remain who will confront the Thai Army’s malfeasance openly and directly.

    The international and diplomatic community have remained almost silent as the Thai Army have racked up the tension in Bangkok – this taciturn approach is made even more remarkable given the Thai Army’s unparalleled appetite for coup. Well-known and widely respected human rights NGOs, many of whom have regional HQs in Bangkok, seem almost willfully silent as Prayuth rolls his tanks into Bangkok, and verbally admonishes Thailand’s popular and democratically-elected leaders. Much of the international press and media corps in Bangkok may privately express views considered adverse to the Thai Army but almost none would dare make any public comment against them and instead choose targets that are unable to project similar power and force.

    One only has to look back over the last 80years of Thai history to see the role the Thai Army has played in destabilizing democracy. As stated in Life Under A Coup, Prayuth’s charges have never defended a democratically elected government and always sided with those who view ordinary Thais as less than equal.

    For the entire range of international voices – from NGOs and the press through to Bangkok’s diplomatic community – to remain silent in the face of the Thai Army’s recent conduct offers a case study in genuflection. Where are Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and others? Where are the truth-seekers of the international press, determined to hold power to account? The simple fact they are not singled out by Prayuth for attack – despite the mountains of evidence that implicate the Thai Army – reveals their failings. It is time for them to step up to the plate.

    robertamsterdam.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    Amsterdam accuses the Thai army of having “a long and ignoble tradition of stymying democracy, attacking Thai civilians, and meddling in politics”.
    What part of that statement is other than 100% correct?
    Yet, but a handful want to realize this.

    Of all the surface issues, this one has the most realistic importance towards all things that concern Thai affairs and society.

    This has been the reality for decades.
    And seemingly a stronger entity today.
    Quite accepted still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier
    Robert Amsterdam is Carlyle Group - Same as Thaksin.
    Robert Amsterdam is not, and has never been, with Carlyle Group
    Thaksin was an adviser to Carlyle group in the late 1990's
    Carlyle Group has no investments in Thailand

    You can always verify this on their web site, although those omnipresent CIA black helicopters may tell you different -
    Find a Portfolio Investment | The Carlyle Group
    he is a lobbyist, and how do you know he doesn't have a client relationship with Carlyle now or in the past ?

    do you have privilege access to all his consulting agreement with those firms ?

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    the nasty Thai army is unfortunately the only institution stopping this country from tearing each other apart,

    that alone speaks volume,

    Wasn't Polpot also a populist liberator ? how did it turn out for Cambodia ? and what about their new tyrant ? a model for Thailand ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    the nasty Thai army is unfortunately the only institution stopping this country from tearing each other apart,

    that alone speaks volume,

    Wasn't Polpot also a populist liberator ? how did it turn out for Cambodia ? and what about their new tyrant ? a model for Thailand ?
    The irony here is that nasty little dark cloud was associated with same influential outsider groups that some are making a greater issue regarding past and current Thai affairs....

    All apologies, as the Thai elite establishment has deep connections with everyone under the sun - doesn't matter of their political affiliation and whose red, yellow, or whatever. It is one and the same.

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