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    Difficult to hire Thai staff

    For the last year, it has been very difficult to hire thai staff to my small company.

    It seems like everybody wants to stay and work for 5 months, and once they have learned the routines, they change job.

    Another problem I have noticed recently is. If I call a person for a job interview, and they accept go come for an interview, but seldom show up.

    Two years ago, this was never a problem. Anyone else experienced this?

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    No.
    Pay more.

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    I think the Thai economy is relatively buoyant employment-wise. So it's a buyers market for employees. Need to make your employment offering more attractive somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    I think the Thai economy is relatively buoyant employment-wise. So it's a buyers market for employees. Need to make your employment offering more attractive somehow.
    Yes, but how?

    Sure, I could inflate the salaries, but I do not want to do that either, for obvious reasons.

    I pay between 12k - 20k for various experience and positions. I think that is pretty decent. And as I said, two years ago, I did not have this problem at all.

    Any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher View Post
    No.
    Pay more.
    How much do you pay?

    I also get applicants that requires 20k thb salary without prior experience, and some other who requires 28k thb with 2 years experience, and they have worked with 4 companies during this period, meaning they stay just enough so they learn the routines, and then leave. I stay away from those applicants.

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    The thing I find Thai staff respond to is the chance to make big money.

    I operate a bonus system, initially thinking that it simply looked good on top of similar salaries to yours, but I never expected to be paying anything.

    Not only do the staff stay, but they don't go sick, forego holidays and even turn up early. They work their asses off and introduce their friends when I need more staff. The bonuses are now a very real part of the salaries here, causing the workload to increase and consequently we require roughly 50% additional floorspace every two years.

    Never in my life have I worked in such a positive environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EriccirE
    I pay between 12k - 20k for various experience and positions. I think that is pretty decent.
    your pay is shit, above all for a small company, no wonder they aren't coming

    For small businesses, they need to pay a premium because of the risks involved for an employee to work for them.

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    ^ Pay more.

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    2 years ago those salaries might have been ok.

    (My friggin maid was earning 12k and this was 10 years ago.)

    Its called inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EriccirE
    I pay between 12k - 20k for various experience and positions. I think that is pretty decent.
    your pay is shit, above all for a small company, no wonder they aren't coming

    For small businesses, they need to pay a premium because of the risks involved for an employee to work for them.
    Is that shit pay? Depends on the work surely.

    Although I was surprised how much Thai's get paid now if they work in Farang oriented customer facing roles.

    My Sisaket girlie gets 25k a month for spa reception (it is a nice place and she has to dress smart in business suit). I thought she was kidding - I always thought 10k was a good wage for a Thai. But it seems Thais get paid more now.

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    Doesn't matter how much you pay! I had a business in Australia and would pay people 20-45 dollars per hour, depending on skills and penalties. They would still leave. It's a sign of the times, my father worked 45 years for the same company, I usually worked 2 years and got bored wanted to do something new, a new challenge.

    In the end, I didn't care anymore, there is always someone wanting a job.

    Bare in mind I worked in the two most remote locations in Australia, Coober Pedy and Alice Springs. But hey, in the end if someone leaves I always had someone turn up.

    Best thing to do is get more staff than you actually need! Sounds stupid, but works. There is always something to do for the "extra" person and if people leave, you're still adequately staffed. Especially if you don't pay much.

    I had a girl in Alice who told me she had been accepted for another job in Alice, but if I wanted to equal that salary, or rather, pay more, she would stay. I told her that this was her last day at my place, fuck off, not going into EBay stuff were people bid against eachother, bye, bye!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge View Post
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    The thing I find Thai staff respond to is the chance to make big money.

    I operate a bonus system, initially thinking that it simply looked good on top of similar salaries to yours, but I never expected to be paying anything.
    But in the end you end up paying them a lot more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge View Post
    Not only do the staff stay, but they don't go sick, forego holidays and even turn up early. They work their asses off and introduce their friends when I need more staff.
    This is what usually happen to me as well, people who work in my company tell their friends about it. But for the last year, it has been very bad. People accepting to go on an interview, but then not even show up.




    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge View Post
    The bonuses are now a very real part of the salaries here, causing the workload to increase and consequently we require roughly 50% additional floorspace every two years.

    Never in my life have I worked in such a positive environment.
    Interesting. I might need to something similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard of Oz
    I had a girl in Alice who told me she had been accepted for another job in Alice, but if I wanted to equal that salary, or rather, pay more, she would stay. I told her that this was her last day at my place, fuck off, not going into EBay stuff were people bid against eachother, bye, bye!
    Nice one. That is the cheekiest load of cobblers when an employee tries that one on. Get them foked off pronto.

    If they want a pay-rise they should present a case based on merit and be given a fair hearing. If you turn them down it is a free market and they can go elsewhere. That nonsense she pulled is just blackmail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EriccirE
    I pay between 12k - 20k for various experience and positions. I think that is pretty decent.
    your pay is shit, above all for a small company, no wonder they aren't coming

    For small businesses, they need to pay a premium because of the risks involved for an employee to work for them.

    Never heard of that small companies have higher salaries than big companies because of the risk involved.

    So how much would you suggest? How much do you pay your employees?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
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    I pay between 12k - 20k for various experience and positions. I think that is pretty decent.
    your pay is shit, above all for a small company, no wonder they aren't coming

    For small businesses, they need to pay a premium because of the risks involved for an employee to work for them.
    Is that shit pay? Depends on the work surely.

    Although I was surprised how much Thai's get paid now if they work in Farang oriented customer facing roles.

    My Sisaket girlie gets 25k a month for spa reception (it is a nice place and she has to dress smart in business suit). I thought she was kidding - I always thought 10k was a good wage for a Thai. But it seems Thais get paid more now.
    Yes, 10k is not considered good, but not bad either. Depends on a lot of factors.

    But if your girl has little work experience and does not have a degree, 25k is an extremely good salary.

    If she has a degree, a few years of work experience, good english, 25k is still good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard of Oz
    I had a girl in Alice who told me she had been accepted for another job in Alice, but if I wanted to equal that salary, or rather, pay more, she would stay. I told her that this was her last day at my place, fuck off, not going into EBay stuff were people bid against eachother, bye, bye!
    Nice one. That is the cheekiest load of cobblers when an employee tries that one on. Get them foked off pronto.

    If they want a pay-rise they should present a case based on merit and be given a fair hearing. If you turn them down it is a free market and they can go elsewhere. That nonsense she pulled is just blackmail.
    Totally agree with you guys.

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    10k is what you give to a maid these days,

    30 days for 300 day per day,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard of Oz View Post
    Doesn't matter how much you pay! I had a business in Australia and would pay people 20-45 dollars per hour, depending on skills and penalties. They would still leave. It's a sign of the times, my father worked 45 years for the same company, I usually worked 2 years and got bored wanted to do something new, a new challenge.

    Yes, I agree, but here it seems like many people wants to leave after 6 months, I get many applicants that works in a company for 6 months, then change company, get a higher salary, stays there for 6 month, etc.

    I do not call them for an interview.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard of Oz View Post
    Best thing to do is get more staff than you actually need! Sounds stupid, but works. There is always something to do for the "extra" person and if people leave, you're still adequately staffed. Especially if you don't pay much.
    I think I pay decent, but I agree, this is what I do too. I have more staff than I need.



    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard of Oz View Post
    I had a girl in Alice who told me she had been accepted for another job in Alice, but if I wanted to equal that salary, or rather, pay more, she would stay. I told her that this was her last day at my place, fuck off, not going into EBay stuff were people bid against eachother, bye, bye!

    Yes, exactly what I would have done as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by EriccirE
    Never heard of that small companies have higher salaries than big companies because of the risk involved.
    In Asia, locals will prefer the stability of larger companies even if less paid, therefore you have to compete for those. A small premium is compensation for the risk taking of wasting your time with a small company that has little chance to grow and offer a decent career to an employee.

    Quote Originally Posted by EriccirE
    So how much would you suggest? How much do you pay your employees?
    A good secretary or support staff is a minimum of 20k, and that was the case already about 5 years ago, now maybe 25k expected to hire them. Marketing assistants are at minimum 30k to 35k, possibly 40k if very experienced. Engineers at 50k minimum, with the good ones as high as 100k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EriccirE View Post
    I think I pay decent, but I agree, this is what I do too. I have more staff than I need.


    So why do you want to hire more ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    10k is what you give to a maid these days,

    30 days for 300 day per day,
    Yes, they would need to work every day in order to get 9000 thb. As soon as they take a day off, they would lose 300 thb. They probably work more than 8 hours each day as well.

    They have no social security, etc.

    An employee in my company has social security, around 800 thb a day, plus, when he/she takes leave, I do not cut her salary. Plenty of holidays, etc

    No, canīt really compare.

    Btw, I assume, you do not even have employees?

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    Recently there was a change in labour law (Labour Protection Act 1998) regarding the employment of maids. In effect this means that maids privately employed now have many of the rights under Law that employees in companies have (sick leave, holiday, severance pay etc.). This law also covers migrant workers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EriccirE
    Never heard of that small companies have higher salaries than big companies because of the risk involved.
    In Asia, locals will prefer the stability of larger companies even if less paid, therefore you have to compete for those. A small premium is compensation for the risk taking of wasting your time with a small company that has little chance to grow and offer a decent career to an employee.

    Quote Originally Posted by EriccirE
    So how much would you suggest? How much do you pay your employees?
    A good secretary or support staff is a minimum of 20k, and that was the case already about 5 years ago, now maybe 25k expected to hire them. Marketing assistants are at minimum 30k to 35k, possibly 40k if very experienced. Engineers at 50k minimum, with the good ones as high as 100k.

    Ok, I think your estimation sounds quite high. But anyway, good to know others opinions, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
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    I think I pay decent, but I agree, this is what I do too. I have more staff than I need.


    So why do you want to hire more ?
    Well, because 2 of them are going to leave

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    ^ go and talk to a contingency based recruitment firm. Even if you don't use them, they'll give you a good idea of what you should be paying *and* what additional benefits you should be offering.

    Actually for hard to fill positions you should use a recruitment firm - most of their fees are only around the 20% mark - you don't pay if they can't find a suitable candidate (and if you do hire a candidate and they quit within a certain period or don't work out, the recruitment firm will find a replacement for free (within3-6 months depending on their terms))
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