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    Brits Conclude Australia Is Crap

    'Boomerang Poms' flee Australia's traffic and TV - BBC News

    Thousands of Britons head for a new life in Australia every year, but it is often not the one-way trip they anticipated. Julian Lorkin looks at why UK migrants frequently decide the wide open spaces of Australia are not for them.
    The idea of a Sunday drive over the Sydney Harbour Bridge, past glorious harbour views to Bondi Beach, conjures up an idyllic lifestyle that looms large in the imagination of many British people.
    A total of 1.2 million UK citizens live in Australia - people like Jo Williams, who moved to Sydney from Sutton, near London. But Jo is one of many Britons who find that stereotypical images of a relaxed lifestyle down under don't match up to reality.
    For instance, she knows that a drive to Bondi Beach on the weekend means battling Sydney's "horrendous" traffic.
    "Driving is my biggest Australian bugbear, on badly designed roads, along with spending a fortune for a café lunch," she says.It is also harder to find work than migrants expect. Even though Australia's unemployment rate sits at just 5.7%, low by OECD standards, Jo believes UK work experience and qualifications aren't sufficiently valued by Australian companies."You'll often go backwards career-wise … the level of bureaucracy and difficulty in finding a job was shocking," she says.
    "Australia is an amazing country and advertised salaries are great, but daily living costs, housing and cars are vastly more expensive than in the UK."
    Boomerang Poms
    Although an increasing number of Australians are born overseas, proportionally fewer are British-born. The numbers have declined steadily for a decade, from 5.6% to 5.1% in 2015, partly because UK citizens are returning home.
    There are many British-born Australians - including previous prime ministers Tony Abbott and Julia Gillard - and emigrants often assume the countries will have a similar culture.
    But new arrivals in Australia "really notice the differences - and there are many", says Visiting Professor Roger Burrows at London's Goldsmiths College.
    He has studied the phenomenon of migrants abandoning Australia over the past decade and many cite similar reasons for leaving.
    "The lack of public transport means there isn't a culture of going for a drink after work," he says.
    "Commuters spend hours on the road and when you eventually get home you're in vast dormitory suburbs with poor-quality housing… watching terrible Australian TV.
    "It's very hard to make friends. Many never visit the beaches that attracted them in the first place.
    "They head back to the UK for a social life with a decent pub. Very long working hours are the final straw for many Brits."
    Australians generally acknowledge that long working hours are an issue. Five million of Australia's 7.7 million full-time workers put in more than 40 hours a week, prompting a think tank called the Australia Institute to designate 18 November as "Go Home on Time" day.
    But instead of just going home on time, more than 7,000 British people a year are going back to the UK for good, and nearly half on permanent migration visas return home within five years.
    It's a phenomenon documented since the days of "Ten Pound Poms" in the 1950s, when Australia's government offered cut-price ship fares to attract British workers.
    Many UK emigrants stayed just long enough to pay for their return trip, which led to the coining of another term - "Boomerang Poms".
    "Many emigrants find it hard to adjust, and compare positives and negatives," Prof Burrows says.
    "If you live somewhere tough in the UK, Australia seems great, but if you enjoy the culture and options to go out in the UK's big cities, Australia can seem very limited."
    Even the weather refuses to conform to the national stereotype. Sydney's yearly rainfall of 48 inches is nearly double London's 29 inches.
    "Migrants need to examine what they want. Australia isn't just a sunny beach," Prof Burrows says.
    "People expect their life to change after being brought up on a diet of Neighbours and Home and Away, but that's not a working day reality.
    "Even when it is as sunny as the TV shows present, many emigrants find it hard to get time off to enjoy it. Workers typically only take half their annual leave."
    Roy Morgan data shows that the average Australian rolls over 21 days of annual leave.
    There and back again
    Phoebe Baxter is a "ping-pong Pom". She immigrated to Australia and later returned to the UK. But after some years, she once again felt the lure of Sydney, and returned to live in the city's suburban Hills district.
    "I came back with my eyes wide open. You develop coping mechanisms, and the internet means you can keep in touch with family," she says.
    "I still miss the vast variety of UK high street shops though, and local pubs. Sydney's suburbs mostly have huge beer barns miles from anywhere."
    The complaints that originally drove Phoebe away from Australia are very similar to Jo's - work hours and transport.
    "In Australia I was shocked at the prices and hideous working hours," she says.
    "It had a good buzz, but the transport infrastructure is so weak. The UK has it down pat with the tubes and the trains."
    As a migrant she found insignificant differences assumed a huge importance.
    "Oddly, I suddenly appreciated the sheer variety of UK architecture. Australian buildings seemed so uniform and dreary.
    "Australia is great, with better opportunities for raising a family.
    "It is a blessing and a curse to love two countries, as I miss certain things of each country. However, I just can't commit to live in Australia for the rest of my life."
    Prof Burrows says migrants in both directions notice small differences, which become hugely important. "Australians also complain when they move to the UK - just about different things," he says.
    He warns migrants to think carefully about moving halfway around the world. "Be careful of what you wish for," he says. "You might just get it."

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    There is certainly more to Australia than just Sydney and the burbs. A rather narrow perspective.

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    Both are crap.

    Theory solved.

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    I loved the place Sydney, Brisbane, Airlie Beach, Budaberg, Cairnes to name a few but I was on holiday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    Both are crap.Theory solved.
    You don't 'solve' a theory.

    You are to collocation what Peter Sutclife was to feminism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui
    There is certainly more to Australia than just Sydney and the burbs. A rather narrow perspective.
    As there is to the UK- I think she means London

    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille
    The UK has it down pat with the tubes and the trains."

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    You are to collocation what Peter Sutclife was to feminism.
    Ha ha!

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    Wheres Terry57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    Wheres Terry57.
    On holiday in England

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    Wheres Terry57.
    Hadn't really missed him til you mentioned him.

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    The OP is a dick who crosses forums spreading crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    Wheres Terry57.

    Pouting, I believe...

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    I liked living in Sydney for the year I was there, but the piece is about being based there rather than basically passing through.

    It's true what is said about UK cities generally having public transport sorted better. It was archaic when I was there. However if you are comparing places based on their TV then you've probably lost in life already.
    On the whole some good points are made and I do think the automatic assumptions a lot of Brits make that life in Australia would inevitably be better are not really well founded.

    Not sure what I've done to have LT weeping like a syphilitic [at][at][at][at] every time I post, but I do hope I can keep it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    Wheres Terry57.
    Deported after setting the apartment aircon on fire while having a fry up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille
    Not sure what I've done to have LT
    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille
    but I do hope

    Your a bell end tosser.

    I dont hope anything with regard to you. Your a waste of oxygen.

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    Got it. Also realise you struggle to make a contribution on any topic except you and how great you are.

    Now why don't you fcuk off and let the adults talk.

    And it's 'you're' - a contraction of 'you are'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille
    Got it
    Your a waste of time dick head.

    No time to post here before you evil little man.

    But crack on with your shite you shit stirring pleab.

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    If the poms stop coming, we'll be able to let more refo's in.
    But they won't stop coming, more people watch Neighbours in pomland than oz.
    They've been forever coming, in droves, anyway they can. A few go back- so what?

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    I enjoy Australian television, because it's different, can't watch it live of course, but can view it on YouTube

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    Lived in both and on the social life, UK wins hands down, it's a size thing, everywhere is close.

    In Australia, you don't really have long weekends away, it's all the same, where the UK. Paris is doable for a night out, even flew to NY for a party once.

    If you are happy to stay home in your big house, eat drink and live in a solitary family life, OZ is great, but if you want an after work social life, Australia is not for you.

    All comes down to what you want from life, bigger house, bigger car, then OZ is the place, but you won't be jumping on a cheap flight for a week in Spain or Greece.

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    ^ I've been to Bali too.

    But really, having lived in inner Sydney for twelve years- it was nothing like that. It's a big country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Paris is doable for a night out
    This is a huge plus. The ease and price of getting round Europe has basically changed the whole 'feel' of living in the UK compared to when I was a kid. I do think I'd feel a bit 'stuck' living permanently in Aus, and even more so in NZ of course. Then there are the cultural limitations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    The OP is a dick who crosses forums spreading crap.
    Apologies. I'm naive and just take most at face value.

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    Why would anyone want to go to Paris for a night out? It's full of Parisians, who hate you.

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