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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Things are getting bad, just reading about fruit pickers in Q'land, some inquiry going on.
    Labor contract company were only hiring Asian backpackers, 25 to a room on mats and charging them for room an board.
    Some only earned $7 a day after deductions and they say slavery is dead.
    Sorry to keep banging on the same drum but look to your Unions who are basically stragulating your economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
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    We only received extra pay if held back due to Operational reasons, the overtime rate was lucrative.

    Minimum two hours pay.
    And completely rorted I'm sure. WA ambos get 4 hours and they always managed to get back to the station 30 minutes + after their rostered knock off time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Things are getting bad, just reading about fruit pickers in Q'land, some inquiry going on.
    Labor contract company were only hiring Asian backpackers, 25 to a room on mats and charging them for room an board.
    Some only earned $7 a day after deductions and they say slavery is dead.
    Sorry to keep banging on the same drum but look to your Unions who are basically stragulating your economy.
    Not many strong unions left, they sold out to gain political power rather then workers rights.
    The strong unions are associations, doctors, dentists etc they control who can practice and limit numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Not many strong unions left, .
    Thank goodness for that. Almost killed the country in the 70's/80's and would do so again if they were given the chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeMock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Not many strong unions left, .
    Thank goodness for that. Almost killed the country in the 70's/80's and would do so again if they were given the chance.
    Seemed a much better place in the 70s and 80s. I'd be happy to turn the clock back.

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    ^^

    You may say that but if it was not for the Unions many average working Australians would be in the same boat as Americans working for very low rates and relying on tips to survive.

    The Firefighters Union has served us well over the years and fought hard against a Government who was hell bent on slashing conditions and entitlements for Firefighters.

    United we stand divided we Fall.

    Union man all the way.

    That said, rouge unions like the " Waterside Workers " were nothing but thugs and stand over men.

    A good fair Union who is prepared to negotiate is worth its weight in Gold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    ^^

    You may say that but if it was not for the Unions many average working Australians would be in the same boat as Americans working for very low rates and relying on tips to survive.

    The Firefighters Union has served us well over the years and fought hard against a Government who was hell bent on slashing conditions and entitlements for Firefighters.

    United we stand divided we Fall.

    Union man all the way.

    That said, rouge unions like the " Waterside Workers " were nothing but thugs and stand over men.

    A good fair Union who is prepared to negotiate is worth its weight in Gold.



    My Uncle Johnny back in the day was a steward for the Melbourne Painters & Dockers. They were just fucking outright Mafia.
    He came from Malta without a dollar and left his kids millions/
    Loved visiting his place, his garage was like Aladdins cave.

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    I agree Terry. Unions are necessary in many cases and many do a good job but what went on then (waterside is a perfect example) was so wrong and dangerous for the country.

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    ^^

    It was the Waterside Workers Union who gave all other Unions a bad name.

    Glad to see the end of that bullshit, Employers need to be able to run a profitable business but at the same time the worker must be protected.

    This is the agenda of the Union.

    Imagine what it must be like being Employed in America.

    The service worker used to get $ 7 per hour now its $ 9 I think. They must gets tips to make up their wage to make it livable .

    At the same time there are people lined up to get a job so the employer if he is a nasty bastard can just exploit them.

    Unions in Australia can no longer call the shots, it's all about careful patient negotiation and trading off.

    Our Union was brilliant in the Negotiation process and served us well.

    Being an Essential Service we did get a fair shake of the stick though.

    Can never complain about my employment conditions thanks to our Union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    Not many strong unions left, they sold out to gain political power rather then workers rights. The strong unions are associations, doctors, dentists etc they control who can practice and limit numbers.
    True that, the NZ union movement lost it's balls about the time Labour got voted in after a long time in the wilderness. This was in the 80's. Workers have been going backwards ever since. Started back then with 'rationalisation'. Fawning deference to the architect of many a Latin American banana republic - Milton Friedman. Then individual contracts. Now many of those contracts in the food service industry for instance are zero hours meaning no guaranteed hours and restraint of trade clauses prohibiting the worker from earning a few bucks from somewhere else.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    Seemed a much better place in the 70s and 80s. I'd be happy to turn the clock back.
    It was. The golden age for the worker was post world war to early 70's (the world's first oil shock).

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    What about catching a Taxi. ?

    I'd like to see a comparison for that.

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    $6.10 just to open the door on weekends.

    Standard Taxi Fares and Charges

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Sorry to keep banging on the same drum but look to your Unions who are basically stragulating your economy.
    Look to your own country where lack of unions has led to a situation where many corporations are paying below a living wage (because they can) and whee many workers have to apply for food stamps to survive even though they have a full time job.
    Meaning the tax payer is subsidizing the corporations at a time when profits are at an all time high.
    look to that.
    If Walmart workers were in a union they could strike for a living wage.
    If Walmart didn't come to the party they would have to shut down, the workers get a living wage, the taxpayer dollar gets to be spent on something for the taxpayer, a new school maybe, teachers salaries.
    And boo fucking hoo, the investers get a point less dividend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikem View Post

    $6.10 just to open the door on weekends.

    Standard Taxi Fares and Charges
    On top of that there is the Two dollar Airport charge so now it is $ 8.10 just to get in the fooker.

    That's 200 Baht.

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    ^^

    On Telli today they showed a program where American service workers want $15 per hour.

    The show said the minimum wage per hour in America for these workers is $ 7.25 cents.

    No Union means exploitation of these workers . They have no voice and no choice when not protected by A Union.

    Poor bastards huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    ^^

    On Telli today they showed a program where American service workers want $15 per hour.

    The show said the minimum wage per hour in America for these workers is $ 7.25 cents.

    No Union means exploitation of these workers . They have no voice and no choice when not protected by A Union.

    Poor bastards huh.
    Yes, but then you get the situations like the waterside workers in Australia and the Auto workers in the 'states that get out of control.
    It's a balancing act for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mikem View Post

    $6.10 just to open the door on weekends.

    Standard Taxi Fares and Charges
    On top of that there is the Two dollar Airport charge so now it is $ 8.10 just to get in the fooker.

    That's 200 Baht.
    The wages and salaries are quite high though aren't they.
    For example how much would a fireman say, with 10 years on the job, be earning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Look to your own country where lack of unions has led to a situation where many corporations are paying below a living wage (because they can) and whee many workers have to apply for food stamps to survive even though they have a full time job.
    I seem to remember Henry Ford pricing his cars and wages at such points that his workers would be able to purchase one. The sight of at the time of new cars appearing in many streets was brilliant marketing and being "owned", even if on the never never, by simple working men and women.

    The problem is now, in many countries around the world, is that even with husband and wife both working, they cannot afford very much other than bare essentials. As for the minimum wage / zero hours contracts they are paid just enough over the government handouts to ensure they are "financially better off" thus enabling the DHSS to claim they must accept the job offered.

    What these groups don't have, is anything other than starvation wages, hence the return of underfed kids and kids with no shoes arriving at school. 1920'2 all over again.

    The unions, in some countries, fought for the NHS, Education, no children down the mines, unemployment benefits ...... these are the rights won by previous generations sometimes at great cost. The responsibility they accepted for the "cradle to grave society safety net", was that everyone paid and continues to pay for this system.

    Now the benefits are being reduced, by government decisions or evaporating by the financial organisations, due to government decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post


    Yes, but then you get the situations like the waterside workers in Australia and the Auto workers in the 'states that get out of control.

    Nope that ain't right,

    The Waterside Workers were sorted out many years ago, all the extortion and stand over tactics have finished .

    They get paid extra because they work shift work, and public holidays.

    Big difference between the guy who works shift and the Office Johhny who does his 8 hours Monday to Friday and goes home to his Family.

    As far as the Auto Workers go, they are lucky to have a job these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post


    The wages and salaries are quite high though aren't they.

    You live in China Huh.

    Pack your family up move back to Australia and let us know how you go.

    That 9999 dude is going to move his family back from Thailand, love to read his report after 12 months back there.

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