Thread: President-elect promised change, picking insiders

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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Heh...reach-around is the ultimate dick, eh?

Here's a quote Boon.


All someone has to do is quote a Bush/Iraq bashing post on a date after Gates came on board. I'm not anal-retentive enough to do it. Sorry.

You gotta hand it to Barry, he's the slickest political charlatan to grace the landscape since William Jefferson.

He's marching lockstep with GWB now. The lefties with half a brain are apoplectic.

Since most of them don't have a brain they're still swooning over their Messiah.
it's fucking hilarious.

Obama is taking the bull by the horns admirably.
I wish him all the luck in the universe.
He's gonna need it with all the fukwits out there.

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

you've heard of guilt by association right?? a common enough tactic in law enforcement and politics.

Ah, yes - it's that sophisticated blogger logic, isn't it?
Someone on 'the left' allegedly has said something, so everybody on 'the left' is guilty of thinking the same. Denying it only exposes hypocrisy.

it isn't us that have accused him of being an 'evil warmonger' but i guess that hypocrisy was lost on you eh?

Ah, because you have not accused him, someone else must have. And this is hypocrisy. Of the other, not you.
Yep, this reasoning follows logic. lol

Who is "us", anyway??? Your playmates in kindergarden?

Originally Posted by Texpat

There are quite a few here that have ridden this guy for years and now suddenly embrace him as their own.

So, you would need to show at least one comment from before, and one now for each poster you name.
You failed with sabang and ray, and nobody has yet claimed Gates "as their own".
It's just hyperbole designed to insult, nothing more.

Oh, some more convincing 'arguments':

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heh...reach-around is the ultimate dick, eh?

Originally Posted by attaboy

All someone has to do is quote a Bush/Iraq bashing post on a date after Gates came on board. I'm not anal-retentive enough to do it. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Since most of them don't have a brain they're still swooning over their Messiah. it's fucking hilarious.

He!
That's quality boys, you should be greening and pm-ing each other to celebrate this victory in the latest 'debate'. LOL

Originally Posted by Texpat

The Surge, which was roundly ridiculed by the TD numb skulls, yet turned out spectacularly successful

really ? maybe you don't get the news in your village shithole, but the damages are still going, they are just more located instead of being widespread, and parts of the country have been abandoned to local war lords, so I would hardly call the surge a success, more like a stop against an immediate pullout ala Saigon.

Originally Posted by spiff

Oh, some more convincing 'arguments':

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heh...reach-around is the ultimate dick, eh?

Originally Posted by attaboy

All someone has to do is quote a Bush/Iraq bashing post on a date after Gates came on board. I'm not anal-retentive enough to do it. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Since most of them don't have a brain they're still swooning over their Messiah. it's fucking hilarious.

He!
That's quality boys, you should be greening and pm-ing each other to celebrate this victory in the latest 'debate'. LOL

k. spiff, I'm not inspired enough to slog through past posts. It's not worth it. If there is a victory to be had on your part, you're welcome to it. The point made is plenty of people have banged on about the Bush administration's handling of the war. Gates is part of the administration. He is the SoD. He advises the President.

I guess every time someone says "Bush" we should ask them to clarify whether they mean Bush personally or the Bush administration and if they mean the administration do they mean the administration prior to the traditional rollover of personal in a Presidents' second term, or maybe if they mean the administration we should have a roll call of those members of the Bush administration they might consider excluding from their overall criticism of the Bush administration. We'll slow things down to an insect's pace.

Yes Doctor Evil's TOP military adviser for the past two years is now about to become the Messiah's Secretary of Defense.

Boggles the mind, don't it?



But Gates is a good, honorable man, isn't he? Twenty-five years in the CIA.

Former Air Force -- at least he's got that going for him.

It only "boggles the mind" if you believed the pre-election rhetoric about Obama being some kind of anti-war extremist liberal - the evidence of is actions was plainly indicating otherwise.

For others it is not such a surprise that he should turn out to be just another shade of the same colour, so to speak.

Mind the hazards as you back peddle through your own minefield ...

Originally Posted by attaboy

k. spiff, I'm not inspired enough to slog through past posts. It's not worth it.

Right.
But you are not the one attacking other posters here for allegedly having made comments and being hypocritical.
A search for "Gates" by posts in Issues would take less than a minute. But it is more 'fun' to provoke and offend without doing one's homework, I suppose.

The point made is plenty of people have banged on about the Bush administration's handling of the war. Gates is part of the administration. He is the SoD. He advises the President.

I can accept this as an argument.
On the other hand, Gates is not the one who makes the policy, he serves the president. I don't know enough about him nor the alternative choices to comment more specifically, but it does seem odd to pick the same SoD after all the hot air about changes.

The fact that Obama has nominated Gates to stay on as defence chief is surely indicative that he is comfortable with his performance in the job. Furthermore, he has retained a senior official under the moribund Bush administration- feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware that Bush retained anyone from the succesful Clinton administration when he was first elected?

So this Republican faux indignation is a charade. I naturally don't expect a staunch Republican to become pro Obama overnight, and I guess the comprehensive way the US people rejected the GOP must sting, but every action taken by Obama thus far in his transition phase comprehensively rebuts the panic mongering and virtual hysteria that has emanated from the Republican Right, ceaselessly, for the last 18 months or so.

I suppose this is what hurts the staunch Republican faithful the most, but brace yourselves for a sober, rational and popular Presidency.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Mind the hazards as you back peddle through your own minefield ...

Your 'arguments' are nothing more than personal attacks based on your imagination.

As one would expect from an uneducated individual defending his indoctrinated beliefs against reality.

Originally Posted by sabang

I have no idea if Gates was in favour of the disastrous invasion of Iraq or not, but he inherited the mess and is doing a much better job than his predecessor. I've never been critical of Gates.

How do you reconcile that ^ with this \/ ?

August 26, 2007, eight months after Gates appointed Secretary of Defense...

Originally Posted by Sabang

the worlds second largest terrorist atrocity has taken place since the surge began, amongst other things

Your boy Gates at the Pentagon helm during this terrorist atrocity?

Perhaps he was unaware of the atrocity... maybe he was on vacation ...

Not to worry, I'm sure the Messiah can heal him.

^ That oh Tex was a Fact. Back on topic, where is the criticism of Gates?

My only comment about Gates that I can recall is that he was an improvement on his predecessor.

The funniest thing about all of this is that had Obama selected a Democrat for the position of SoD then the usual suspects on here would be griping on about his lack of backbone in prosecuting the 'War on Terror'.

Face it lads, it's about bending everything to fit preconceived ideas and ideals more than it is pragmatic facts and assessment.

^^ I see, it was a criticism of the military (excluding the boss, who quite incidentally two years later is chosen by BO to remain.)

^ No, we're just giving you shit for criticizing US military policy over the past two years and now watching you try to tap dance around.

It's all fun. Gates will continue to be a great SecDef.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Originally Posted by Sabang

the worlds second largest terrorist atrocity has taken place since the surge began, amongst other things

That's all you could find for comments about Gates, redneck?

Originally Posted by Texpat

^ No, we're just giving you shit for criticizing US military policy over the past two years and now watching you try to tap dance around.

And you're being positively Michael Flatleyesque yourself in the contortions you're making to come to that conclusion.

Since nobody else could apparently be bothered I've done a quick serach and analysis of sabang's* posts using "Gates" as the search term: https://teakdoor.com/search.php?searchid=2489602

What I found was this: 23 instances of the word "Gates" appearing in his posts. Of those many more referred to Bill Gates as opposed to Robert Gates. Actually all but two of the posts I found that did reference Robert Gates came from this thread itself, and of the two that didn't one was a reference included in a quoted article (which I'm assuming was referencing Gates from his CIA days).

Further, the one direct quote I found from sabang outside of this thread was this:

Originally Posted by sabang

The Petraeus/ Gates team is unquestionably doing a far better job than it's predecessor, on every level

Hardly condemnation is it.

So from all of this I'm left with the conclusion that the plans and construction of your strawman are fundamentally flawed. Next.






*Not to single him out but the initial dispute did arise over his posts. And yes, I am that bored today.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Mind the hazards as you back peddle through your own minefield

You wouldn't know what a minefield is even if you were stepping on it,

^^ well texpat, here's your chance to back up your claim.......

August 10, 2008

Originally Posted by Reach Around

the way the white house (and its apologists) are portraying the escalation is a shortsighted, US domestic political strategy...and it is going to come back and bite the US right in the ass.

Wait just a cotton-pickin minute thar, R A. That's your boy's top soldier. But it seems to have worked fairly well, eh?



and then five days later on Aug 15:

Originally Posted by Reach Around

just another general thrown under the bus by the bush white house....par for the course.

But, but, but ...would Gates allow that? He's Obama's SecDef choice. How can this be? Did Gates throw a general under a bus? Can we really trust this guy? Twenty five in the CIA???



Don't fret, boys, he'll be all right.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Don't fret, boys, he'll be all right.

It is you that is fretting.

Originally Posted by spiff

I don't know enough about him nor the alternative choices to comment more specifically, but it does seem odd to pick the same SoD after all the hot air about changes.

well that is really the point that had been made isn't it? all of the rest of your pedantic, hot air and blustering is just about you being your typically obtuse persona then wasn't it?? Ok, understood....

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Since nobody else could apparently be bothered I've done a quick serach and analysis of sabang's* posts using "Gates" as the search term: https://teakdoor.com/search.php?searchid=2489602

What I found was this: 23 instances of the word "Gates" appearing in his posts. Of those many more referred to Bill Gates as opposed to Robert Gates. Actually all but two of the posts I found that did reference Robert Gates came from this thread itself, and of the two that didn't one was a reference included in a quoted article (which I'm assuming was referencing Gates from his CIA days).

Further, the one direct quote I found from sabang outside of this thread was this:

Originally Posted by sabang

The Petraeus/ Gates team is unquestionably doing a far better job than it's predecessor, on every level

Hardly condemnation is it.

So from all of this I'm left with the conclusion that the plans and construction of your strawman are fundamentally flawed. Next.






*Not to single him out but the initial dispute did arise over his posts. And yes, I am that bored today.

wrong as usual.. it was never about any one single individual poster and even more over it was more about RC. maybe you should READ the posts before commenting instead of just skimming..

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

wrong as usual.. it was never about any one single individual poster and even more over it was more about RC. maybe you should READ the posts before commenting instead of just skimming..

... So it wasn't ever about any one single poster. But it was about Ray. Oh. Dear.

Here's the first post in this thread referencing Gates in relation to a single, defined, poster DF:

Originally Posted by Texpat

Wow, Gates goes from evil warmonger to competent strategist overnight.

Amazing.

BO's not even in office yet, Sabang. The starry-eyed honeymoon will be over soon enough.

You might want to have your stomach X-rayed for the hook, line and sinker.

Ever heard the expression: 'It's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt'. Now stop embarrassing yourself.