Iran - the next US target?

**HermantheGerman** · 07-09-2008, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by keda

If any therapy is needed it'll be the Israelis that do it, not the US.

Keda !
You are so right ! But who is in charge of the US Govt ? No Redneck thats for sure.

bkkandrew · 07-09-2008, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by keda

If you ask me TD's steadily being infiltrated by sickos.

It actually started some while ago...

https://teakdoor.com/members/antrobertson.html

**barbaro** · 09-09-2008, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by keda

If any therapy is needed it'll be the Israelis that do it, not the US.

Milky, the way things are with the loony left nowadays, if the planet were threatened the US would be castigated for placing its military and resources at the front end...which btw they would do not only because they're the most advanced but also because they're used to making sacrifices for ungrateful cnuts.

So much bitching about the US and UK, though people from the world over daily risk their lives to enter these lands of opportunity. Maybe they're all misguided, eh?

I see 2 points above.

1. critique of US foreign policy, and

2. people wanting to come to the US (and UK) for opportunity.

I think number 1 and number 2 are two separate issues that are not related.

**barbaro** · 29-09-2008, 09:05 AM

Edit in:

I forgot to add that: the author of this article is a retired CIA official who's authored at least one book.

Here's an article on Isreal's potential to strike nuclear facilities in Iran.

The article notes that in a retaliation (if the US was involved), Iran would likely:

-Shut down the Persian Gulf via Silkworm missiles. Oil price would go way up.

-Hit US targets in Iraq and Afghanistan, which it can easily do by dialing in the coordinates of the shihab-3 missile and other rockets

-Hezbollah could possible use this timing to attack Israel.

I do think Israel will strike Iran's nuclear facilities. I dont see Israel sitting back and waiting to see if Iran is serious.

Bet on Israel bombing Iran

By Robert Baer
Saturday, September 27th 2008
Are we going to have an October surprise, an attack on Iran by either the Bush administration or by Israel to stop the regime from becoming a nuclear power?
It could happen - and alter the dynamics of the presidential race in the blink of an eye - but only if Israel pulls the trigger. Don't expect the United States to drop bombs anytime soon. The reason: Iran has us over a barrel.

According to Britain's Guardian newspaper, Bush earlier this year nixed an Israeli plan to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. Reportedly, the President said no because we couldn't afford Iranian retaliation against our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan or Iran closing down Persian Gulf shipping. Nonetheless, cynical speculation is now swirling in some quarters that with the financial collapse working against McCain - and Bush's legacy coming into focus - the President might reconsider. Could that tail really wag the dog?

Probably not. The fundamental global power dynamics have not changed. Iran has successfully blackmailed us. Iranian Silkworm missiles could close down Gulf oil exports in a matter of minutes, taking about 17 million barrels a day of oil off world markets. Americans could suddenly be looking at the prospect of $10-$12 for a gallon of gas. If the collapse of Wall Street doesn't push us into a depression, that would. And Bush is right: An angered Iran could punish us with thousands of extra casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, as Iranian-trained, armed and funded fighters flow back into the war zones with a vengeance.

So, giving the go ahead to Israel would just not be worth it.
But none of this changes the fact that Israel - on its own, without U.S. complicity - is moving closer to a decision to attack Iran, almost by the day.

What many Americans miss is that Iran is a threat to Israel's very existence, not an imagined danger used by politicians for political advantage. Every Israeli city is within range of Iranian/Hezbollah rockets. To make matters worse, since the July 2006 34-day war, Hezbollah may have as much as trebled the number of rockets it has targeted on Israel.

Meantime, Hezbollah has become the de facto state in Lebanon. And lest we forget, Israel lost that July 2006 war to Hezbollah, pulling its troops out of Lebanon without having obtained a single objective. In other words, Israel no longer has its deterrence credibility, the fear that it can decisively retaliate against its enemies.

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**keda** · 29-09-2008, 10:25 AM

Milky, recent domestics have left me a bit behind on the latest developments viz a viz Israel and Iran, but some material elements from a year or ten ago can be taken as definitive...

We know that if Israel strikes Iran, whether on its own or as a US proxy, only negatives will result, price of oil, closure of the Gulf, global islamic backlash etc. The result will be chaos, nothing profound here, and islamic outrage against the West's response to islamic provocation is common enough if not predictable.

Otoh, Israel will strike, on its own and specifically against US or global interests, if she believes Iran is far enough along the nuclear path for her to feel severely threatened. In this case, same again, result = chaos, and nothing profound here either, because her survival instinct will kick in regardless of the consequences.

Now something to fire up the usual suspects...My guess is that the West (read the US, since the Euros are pathological wimps) can never again more than tokenly confront or moderate extremist islamic regimes, and will soon realise they can do little more than address their interests defensively, for damage limitation...or that anything positive or settling can occur unless and until it is fully insulated from its oil addiction with a feasible alternative energy source. This will happen because it must, though unlikely in our natural lifetime, and I see it as a race between that independence and extremist islamic influence/domination through deliberate and concerted efforts to undermine the will of the West and its increasingly vulnerable resources.

I am not saying that an alternative energy source is the answer to all of our woes, far from, and it should be clear to most that the problem is more religious than energy based, but energy independence would give us the ability to effectively address the more serious issues without the paralysing fear of being starved to death.

I also believe that Western leaders are complacent and blinded to the fact that time is running against them, and that if they do not get their act together and fast, this century will witness a bloodbath the likes of which will make WW11 seem like a day out with Pooh, as inevitable.

Prophet of doom? I hope so.

**sabang** · 29-09-2008, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by keda

Prophet of doom? I hope so.

Armageddon, Keda?

Originally Posted by keda

extremist islamic influence/domination through deliberate and concerted efforts to undermine the will of the West

I have read at least one Trip report of yours where you have travelled with a Moslem, who seemed far from intent on Jihad. Actually the Philistine was just out to have a good time. Why do you automatically cede Primacy to the Radicals- that is not the march of history. Armageddon, again, or something else?

And of course you hate my (and the international communities) 'Land for Peace' mantra, but I'm afraid I can see no better solution to the security of Israel.

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