Thread: New Honda Jazz - A fantastic car all round

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

It is a lie actually. How many forum members are there? How many voted? Do the math, Turdy

Most of the regular posters voted on the poll to oust you from the forum did they not?

The majority were in favour of you leaving the forum were they not?

Simple yes or no answers will suffice.

The Patented Turd Post Shift. Is that really your final question? Sure you don't want to revise it (yet) again?

You keep on repeating this as if your complete lack of integrity and your dishonesty applies to people other than yourself.

Don't judge others by your own low standards, as I keep advising you.

Tud,

"Pwned!", deal with it. Do yourself a favour and retreat with your tail between your legs and whatever scrap of dignity and self-respect you may have remaining. No one would think any less of you for it... Nobody could quite frankly. Your repeated claims of being correct ring rather hollow since it has been shown to objectively not be the case several times already. Your transparent attempts to ignore this are only making it worse.

Not sure if I can be bothered to go through all of this shit. Another thread ruined by a bunch of pedantic pricks. Maybe I'll just chuck all of it in MKP and be done with it?

Pedantric pricks, now that hurts.

Here is the Mugen Jazz.

Originally Posted by Travelmate

It free. You actually pay for ur only means of transport.

Originally Posted by Travelmate

Really are you paying their bus fares? I provide actual means of transportation

Originally Posted by Travelmate

I own the company that owns the Camry. Fool.

How can your Camry be free if you own the company that pays for the Camry?

Caught telling porkie pies.

Naughty naughty. Knew you were full of it.

Looks like a shrunken people's carrier.

^ The old Jazz looked like a mini MPV too.

I prefer the looks of the Yaris over the old Jazz, although the Yaris is an acquired taste. Why we don't have the Mazda 2 over here I don't know - great little cars apparently.

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Why we don't have the Mazda 2 over here I don't know

Coming soon apparently (hatchback) along with the new Fiesta (saloon).

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

How can your Camry be free if you own the company that pays for the Camry?

No. Company funds paid for it, I merely authorised the payment voucher. *sigh*

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

I prefer the looks of the Yaris over the old Jazz

Not surprising since your GF's bought the Yaris.

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

the Yaris is an acquired taste

Really..I thought it was more of a popular taste. These are all over Thailand.

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Mazda 2 over here, great little cars apparently.

Don't know about the Mazda 2. Having owned the Mazda RX7. Quality remains questionable.

Originally Posted by Travelmate

Quality remains questionable.

Not really, as it's a Ford.

This the Mazda 2 you are harping about?

Ford Fiesta

Ignoramous

^ is the spelling correct?
Anyhooter. I posted pics for ya. And besides I have never seen a Mazda 2 nor a Fiesta. So some pics to help others to see what you are hankering after.
Meanwhile below is what I am harpering after...

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by Travelmate

Quality remains questionable.

Not really, as it's a Ford.

Which proves Travelmate's statement about the quality.

I have to admit Fords improved recently though. Especially the current Mondeo looks nice.

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Originally Posted by Rigger

here some vtec jazz 10.78, vigo/ mu7 12.1

3.0L 2wd Vigo is 10.68 stock.

So a little pick up is .10 of second faster than a shopping trolly on wheels, gee that must be a powerful car

Originally Posted by Rigger

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Originally Posted by Rigger

here some vtec jazz 10.78, vigo/ mu7 12.1

3.0L 2wd Vigo is 10.68 stock.

So a little pick up is .10 of second faster than a shopping trolly on wheels, gee that must be a powerful car

I never said the Vigo was quicker off the mark; it is geared for load pulling primarily. I said it was quicker than a Camry at speed on the motorways because of it's massive torque.

The torque figures don't lie. 343Nm as stock is a massive number.

When you drive a powerful turbo diesel you'll soon realise where the power bands are and how torque really does affect a vehicle's performance especially vis a vis highway driving.

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

The torque figures don't lie. 343Nm as stock is a massive number.

My GSXR only has 108.3Nm torque, so according to you the Vigo must be faster than the bike... on highway speed and acceleration

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

I never said the Vigo was quicker off the mark; it is geared for load pulling primarily. I said it was quicker than a Camry at speed on the motorways because of it's massive torque.

Originally Posted by Dalton

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

The torque figures don't lie. 343Nm as stock is a massive number.

My GSXR only has 108.3Nm torque, so according to you the Vigo must be faster than the bike... on highway speed and acceleration

Yup, not that it wasn't abundantly clear already but the above statements make it even more apparent that Tud obviously doesn't quite grasp the concept of torque.

Originally Posted by Dalton

My GSXR only has 108.3Nm torque, so according to you the Vigo must be faster than the bike... on highway speed and acceleration

No, that's according to you.

I said, and I'll repeat for the stupid people here, "I said it was quicker than a Camry at speed on the motorways because of it's massive torque".

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Yup, not that it wasn't abundantly clear already but the above statements make it even more apparent that Tud obviously doesn't quite grasp the concept of torque.

You are an idiot.

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

I said, and I'll repeat for the stupid people here, "I said it was quicker than a Camry at speed on the motorways because of it's massive torque".

You also said it was the same weight as a Camry - you were wrong about that too.

You are an idiot.

Be that as it may it's not really relevant to the point that you seem to be labouring under a fundamental misconception over the nature of torque it certain situations and its relevance to certain applications.

Perhaps this article will educate Ant and Travelmate. Hope they bother to read it and actually understand they have been caught completely talking out of their rear ends here.

Highlighting is mine.

Browsing through a handful of motoring websites the other day, we were interested to see that a reader had asked one of them to explain the relationship between power and torque but had not received any kind of answer. So we thought we'd supply that service instead.

It is, after all, a fair question. Everyone knows that cars produce power, and bhp figures are banded about regularly. People with more enthusiasm about the subject are aware of torque, and that it has something to do with performance. On the whole, though, it's only engine builders and tuners who know how the two relate to each other.


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These and other factors make it difficult to achieve high power outputs, which in any case are not always desirable for a car used daily in heavy traffic. Perhaps the most remarkable road car engines commonly available today are the latest-generation turbo diesels. 130bhp, which ten years ago was a good figure for a hot hatch, is now by no means exceptional for a diesel, even at an engine speed of as little as 4000rpm. As anyone who has ever driven one of these cars can confirm, their performance is remarkable. What not everyone realises - or, if so, only vaguely - is that it's the torque that makes this performance possible.

Power And Torque Explained | Road Tests, Auto Features

Please, please read it, you need the education.