Thread: US Presidential Campaign 2008

Originally Posted by attaboy

Cindy McCain's bio is being shown

how did they handle her stealing prescription drugs from poor people to fix her jones?

i wish i'd seen the 'home wrecker' montage.

Originally Posted by pai nai ma

didnt see the mccain speech -- anymore characterizations from those did?

Didn't see it either but was just reading about it then. Does this:

McCain speech denounces 'partisan rancour'
ST. PAUL, Minnesota - Republican John McCain accepted the Republican presidential nomination today, warning Washington politicians that "change is coming" and denouncing the "partisan rancor" he said was gripping the country's ruling establishment.


The four-term Arizona senator was met with extended applause from delegates to the Republican National Convention and guests crammed into the Excel Energy Center and declared himself the only choice for voters who want an end to gridlock in Washington and the tradition of politicians "who work for themselves and not you"...

McCain speech denounces 'partisan rancour' - 05 Sep 2008 - NZ Herald: World / International News

sound familiar? Apparently he 'borrowed' rather liberally from Obama.

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Originally Posted by chinthee

McCain gave a crap speech. He will lose big time if this is the best he can do.

Originally Posted by aging one

The dude cannot speak, its that simple.

these comments intrigued me, also.

Originally Posted by pai nai ma

I hope she is wearing the 280K earrings.

I wish I could afford 280K earrings. If someone were willing to give me a pair, I'd be willing to pierce my nipples to wear them.

Originally Posted by Bugs

I’m not sure how the Palin comments are comparable to the Rev Wright, with the exception that they are both related to religion?

you're quite skilled at selective posting bugs....this is what i was referring to.

Originally Posted by raycarey

'at least two days ago"

and since what i posted at the top of the previous page, i'm not concerned by your attempts to obfuscate.

Originally Posted by Bugs

and then you repeated part of what I said stated a bit differently?

Originally Posted by Bugs

the bit you did not rephrase

what a phoney.

nothing i quoted was 'stated a bit differently', and nothing was rephrased.
you posted it.

Originally Posted by pai nai ma

didnt see the mccain speech -- anymore characterizations from those did?

I think the content to the McCain speech was better than the content of the Palin speech (but the Palin speech did have some really good one/two liners). But I thought Palin did a much better job on the presentation side.

I also think the McCain speech did a better (was it enough?) job or giving the undecideds something to think about, whereas I think the Palin speech was geared much more towards the core of the red team. Hopefully the Palin pick, along with her words/ actions leading up to the election will be enough to energize enough of the base to actually go and vote. While hopefully McCain can work towards pulling in more and more of the undecideds.

I think there were a number of times during the McCain speech where the base in attendance were reluctantly applauding, but are not on board with what he was saying.

Such as this:

I’ve fought corruption, and it didn’t matter if the culprits were Democrats or Republicans. They violated their public trust and they had to be held accountable. I’ve fought big spenders in both parties who waste your money on things neither need nor want. And the first big-spending, pork-barrel earmark bill that comes across my desk, I will veto it. I will make them famous and you will know their names.

And this:

I fight to restore the pride and principles of our party. We were elected to change Washington, and we let Washington change us. We lost the trust of the American people when some Republicans gave in to the temptations of corruption. We lost their trust when rather than reform government, both parties made it bigger.

We lost their trust when instead of freeing ourselves from a dangerous dependence on foreign oil, both parties and Senator Obama passes another corporate welfare bill for oil companies. We lost their trust when we valued our power over our principles.

But he swung them back around when he followed that bit up with this bit:

We’re going to change that. We’re going to recover the people’s trust by standing up again to the values Americans admire. The party of Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Reagan is going to get back to basics.

One thing I would have liked to have heard more of was specific policy plans. Did not really hear enough of that during either convention.

i read an analysis of the speech which I think summed up mccain's effort quite nicely....

it was a valedictory speech, not the acceptance speech for the beginning of a presidency.

kind of like the speeches given by aging actors when they're given 'life time achievement awards' before they die. they were never able to win one on merit, but their colleagues feel sorry for them as they get close to death, so they're thrown a bone.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Bugs

I’m not sure how the Palin comments are comparable to the Rev Wright, with the exception that they are both related to religion?

you're quite skilled at selective posting bugs....this is what i was referring to.

Originally Posted by raycarey

'at least two days ago"

and since what i posted at the top of the previous page, i'm not concerned by your attempts to obfuscate.

Attempts to obfuscate?

It was an attempt to respond to what you had posted. Granted it seems that my response was misdirected. As it seems you were making note of the fact that even though much of the Obama dirty laundry is “old news”, folks (me included) are still making posts about it. Rather than attempting to draw any comparisons between the Palin comments and any comments made by Rev Wright.

Seems I was in error in regard to my interpretation of your post. My apologies.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Bugs

and then you repeated part of what I said stated a bit differently?

Originally Posted by Bugs

the bit you did not rephrase

what a phoney.

nothing i quoted was 'stated a bit differently', and nothing was rephrased.
you posted it.

Really?

Part of what I posted:

Originally Posted by Bugs

No reason for anyone to report on it until after McCain picked her.

Past of what you posted:

Originally Posted by raycarey

there was no reason for anyone to look until after mccain picked her.

These seem to be basically saying the same thing to me.

Then again maybe I have yet again miss interpreted what you have posted? Did you mean that my statement "No reason for anyone to report on it until after McCain picked her." was a load of crap?

Granted you probably think much of what I post is crap so it has peaked my interest that you found the bit from that post worthy enough to specifically call it crap.

Originally Posted by pai nai ma

didnt see the mccain speech -- anymore characterizations from those did?

Wooden. Predictable. No specifics. The convention build-up (other speeches and McCain's film biography shown before his speech) stressed his character. Of course, John McCain's first wife wasn't mentioned. Carol McCain probably suffered more physical and emotional pain over the years than her husband and she has handled it with a lot of bravery, character and dignity. Carol never says a bad word about the ex-husband who abandoned her. Her character dwarfs his.

Polls, polls, polls.

Gallup (Daily):
Gallup Daily: No Dent in Obama Lead So Far
Obama - 49%
McCain - 42%

Rasmussen (Daily):
Rasmussen Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.
Obama - 47%
McCain - 43%

CBS (Weekly):
McCain ties Obama in new poll, Palin pushes for funds after big speech - Phoenix Business Journal:
Obama - 42%
McCain - 42%
(Note the CBS poll was conducted Mon-Wends, prior to the Palin and McCain speechs).

Should be interesting to see if McCain gets a bounce following his speech, and the convention wrap-up. Really baring any big mistake by either side this will be McCain's last chance to make a big move in the polls, until the debates.

Seems McCain got a pit of a bump prior to his speech, if you want to count his intrade going up as this guys seems to:
Megan McArdle (September 04, 2008) - How can I say Obama's in trouble when he's leading in the polls?

Obama got very little bounce from his convention despite an astouding television and live viewership for his acceptance speech. The McCain contract, on the other hand, got a 1.3 bounce this morning before he even spoke.

When I say that the Obama campaign is in trouble, I don't mean by any means that a McCain victory just became inevitable, or even probable. But Obama is no longer going to have the walk everyone was expecting three months ago. They need to find a more successful means of attacking McCain than they have so far come up with, because the overall trend of their polls is downward, and I'm told that many internal polls, which project likely voters, already show McCain with at least a 50/50 chance of winning. Obama's got a fight on his hands.

I'm not a lover of America or American politics. But I liked McCain above Obama based on appearance, personnality etc. But now he's got that piece of shit, and she is a piece of shit, as his running mate then it's "Come on Obama".

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by attaboy

Cindy McCain's bio is being shown

how did they handle her stealing prescription drugs from poor people to fix her jones?

i wish i'd seen the 'home wrecker' montage.

ray do you have the heart to adopt a little child from India with a cleft mouth? How much relief work have you done? Is your education in special education like Cindy McCains? Have you ever taught special ed students?

Do we need to take a poll as to whether ray is the pettiest most puny pip squeek on TD? Can anyone posssbily be smaller than ray if decency where measured with a tape? What is the exact opposite of "stature"? That is the place occupied by ray. ray is the inverse, if there is a zenith to stature, ray is the nadir.

You're predictable. You're predictable to the point that assuming what you will post is not a form of prescience or prejudice, it's a wearisome constancy. It's drugery. It's the beat of a drum on a slave ship. You make it very difficult to dance to your posts.

Originally Posted by attaboy

ray do you have the heart to adopt a little child from India with a cleft mouth? How much relief work have you done? Is your education in special education like Cindy McCains? Have you ever taught special ed students

Should he be allowed to steal prescription drugs if he had?

Was she filling the prescriptions and shorting patients? You made the accusations so describe what she did. What was her m.o.?

it's true atta -- she's a thievin' junkie.

Originally Posted by attaboy

describe what she did. What was her m.o.?

i'm sure it's all on the thread bearing her name.

but what i'd like someone to describe fully and detail her m.o. on is how she helped destroy mccain's first marriage.

now that would make interesting reading.

Do you understand ray? It's your posting style.

her stealing prescription drugs from poor people

No, she didnt. She stole from her own nonprofit medical relief organization.

it leads me to believe that you must know a woman who is a junkie/home wrecker.
but that's beside the point. i posted facts.

No you didn't, ray. You said she stole from poor people. She stole from the non-profit organization. This example of your posting style carries over to all your posts. You're a propagandist. You're like one of those 'World People's Worker Movement' websites.

Originally Posted by attaboy

Do you understand ray? It's your posting style.

her stealing prescription drugs from poor people

No, she didnt. She stole from her own nonprofit medical relief organization.

it leads me to believe that you must know a woman who is a junkie/home wrecker.
but that's beside the point. i posted facts.

No you didn't, ray. You said she stole from poor people. She stole from the non-profit organization.

so, the drugs cindy stole were intended for cindy's socialite friends?
not saying it isn't true, but it would be quite a revelation.


just to clear things up a bit......in your opinion, members of what socio-economic class would have received those drugs had cindy not stolen them?

How were they shorted?

Just sumpin'

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There's a big buzz about the high TV ratings of the Republican convention but this may be of limited significance. I tuned in simply to see the super-milf Sarah Palin and get an occasional glimpse of daughter Bristol's rather formidible rack. My wife seemed interested in Sarah's Eskimo husband as well as the 'sex on skates' hockey player that got Brisol knocked up (my wife also observed that McCain grins like Chucky from the horror movies and that Cindy bears some resemblance to a space alien). The convention provided some low-brow entertainment but probably didn't change a lot of minds.