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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey
    secondly, there were three planes that were 'lost' on 9/11.
    actually, weren't there four
    7 if you include the substitutes and the 'missile'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    The airline lost two of their planes to muslim extremists on 9/11.
    Did they really though?

    BBC NEWS | Middle East | Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel
    Did they really though?
    i don't think so, but you get accused of being a nut case for broaching that one.

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    You are a nutcase if you believe that comedy.

    Where did the fcuking plane full of random passengers go? They all just disappeared? It was a giant coverup?

    Is a case of mistaken identity/false identity (there was no IDing those bodies among the 1,000s) the same as proof it didn't happen?

    Get a grip. Do you live in a fantasy world? Are your reasoning skills overpowered by your juvenile imagination?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    He's muslim? Good enough reason.
    You're such a joker Jet. Satire is one of my favorite forms of comedy. Keep it up.
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    He's Muslim? Good enough reason.
    So all Muslims should be on the terrorist list?

    Estimated to be around 5m Muslims in US. Better get em all on the list with names and addresses made public so the shooting can begin ASAP.
    Geez, Norts. You comin or goin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    The airline lost two of their planes to muslim extremists on 9/11.
    Did they really though?

    BBC NEWS | Middle East | Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
    Its possible he survived the impact...

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    Nobody would think for a second these upstanding young men might pass forged identification -- trying to play themselves off as somebody they're not...

    Enter the crack investigative journalism squad of the famed Bumbling Boisterous Cunts who claim to have proof that one of the hijackers is still alive. PROOF they claim that it was all a hoax.

    Damn they're good.

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    Did you read it?

    FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.

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    ^ You of all people trust the FBI? Thursday when? Ten linkies please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Did you read it?

    FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.
    Yes, I read it. And like I said, you you be surprised if their identity passed onto the airlines was, in fact, false?

    If I was going to blow myself up (with hundreds of innocent people) and wanted to mislead the authorities about just who I was -- covering the tracks and sending them on a wild goose chase -- how difficult would it be to get a fake ID?

    Are you really this gullible?

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    So why are the men in the BBC article continuously to this day referred to as being the suicide pilots? Are people really that gullible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by machangezi
    A multi-cultural society they say, where people live together and tolerate each other eh?
    When are the muslims going to tolerate other people when it's the muslims that are the newbies. All they say is, "No you can't do that, it insults my religion" or some shit like that.

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    Speaking as someone who had brief contact through work with one of the 911 hijackers just prior to him heading off on the mission and knowing a few farangs who converted and seen them go from “normal” to intensely religious in the matter of a few weeks I can’t fault homeland security for placing converts on a watch list.

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    If in doubt, add to the list.

    Sure there'll be errors, but better to make them on the side of caution...lives are more valuable than sensitivties.

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    The watch list is a joke anyway. Anyone with half a brain can get around it even if their name is on the list. Simply change the name you use to book the ticket.

    Insert your middle initial (First M Last)
    Run together both first and last name – no space between them (FirstLast)
    Use initial for both first and last (F M Last)
    Etc, etc, etc.

    Any bone head who’s name ends up on the list and bitches because they continue to get stopped deserves to continually get stopped for being too stupid to figure out they need to quite booking flights with the same name.

    Linky:
    washingtonpost.com: Hundreds Report Watch-List Trials

    But although the list is clearly bloated with misidentifications by every official's account, CNN has learned that it may also be ineffective. Numerous people, including all three Robinsons, have figured out that there are ways not to get flagged by the watch list.

    Denise Robinson says she tells the skycaps her son is on the list, tips heavily and is given boarding passes. And booking her son as "J. Pierce Robinson" also has let the family bypass the watch list hassle.

    Capt. James Robinson said he has learned that "Jim Robinson" and "J.K. Robinson" are not on the list.

    And Griffin has tested its effectiveness. When he runs his first and middle name together when making a reservation online, he has no problem checking in at the airport.
    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion" - Steven Weinberg

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    Maybe it's a matter of face. If Bush said we need Homeland, we need Homeland. Just think of the staff and all those bills they have to pay. If they didn't produce they'd at least have to appear they were producing. They probably have a quota to meet, like a Thai cop. I tell you what, I feel a whole lot safer knowing the pilot of my next US flight has a name I can pronounce.

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    There are so many inaccuracies on both sides of the isle here it's hard to know where to begin..

    The security is a sham I guess no one saw the report just last night on CNN where the reporter doing the report is also on the terrorist watch list and he interviewed 3 other people all with the name "James Robinson" of all things who also were on the watch list, the reporters name was Drew something or other but it sure wasn't Muslim sounding.

    The James Robinson's were a Lawyer, (OK bad example) a pilot who is authorized to carry a gun on his plane, (bit of irony there) and a 5 year old boy who is now 8 because this has all been happening for the past 3 years in spite of numerous attempts from all three (the boys parents) to get their names removed.

    The really sorry part about this whole thing is that they have all found ways around the security by just changing something in the way they put their name down like running the first and middle names together for example which could be considered a typo, so what's the f'king point??

    So I too am forced to wonder what puts you on this list in the first place? But most certainly it isn't just related to Muslims so you can get over that notion altogether. It seems pretty damned hap-hazard to me..

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    that's what happens when you let government taking over your personal info, everything get fucked

    if the government can't even win a war with a third world insurgents, how do you expect them to run your homeland security efficiently,

    they just can't, they are too big and too stupid to do anything, even with a smart ass like GW Bush at the top

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    I guess they flag all the Mohammeds, too.

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    How many Muslim pilots in the US? Hundreds, I would imagine. Maybe thousands. When you consider the long haul flights from the ME, whose crews RON, several thousand.

    But this one guy is getting shafted.

    How about the Muslim pilots in the USAF? Guess their commanders have a thick dossier on them and pair them with trusted agents ...

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    ^ Never let them sit in the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
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    "A New Jersey native, Scherfen, 37, said he believes his name was placed on a watch list because he converted to Islam in 1994 - even though he is a Gulf War combat veteran.

    Even worse we have a war veteran turn coat here!
    Turn coat = sedition = shoot him. (It's a bennie for United; no union-tied family death benefits necessary if he worked for that other place.)
    Person = Not ME! = Shoot him = Raving paranoia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    How many Muslim pilots in the US? Hundreds, I would imagine. Maybe thousands. When you consider the long haul flights from the ME, whose crews RON, several thousand.

    But this one guy is getting shafted.

    How about the Muslim pilots in the USAF? Guess their commanders have a thick dossier on them and pair them with trusted agents ...
    How many muslim pilots that are "converts" are there flying in the US? In the USAF? Prolly quite a few born again christians and maybe even a few new jews. Or how about former christians that have become atheists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey
    actually, what's sad is that you're only starting to believe it.
    it's nice to give flag waving bigots the benefit of the doubt.
    took me 3 years to realise that storekeeper was serious and the jury is still out on texpat.
    Glad to know you realised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    I guess they flag all the Mohammeds, too.
    That's me fucked then.

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