Thread: Why Obama will Win

Originally Posted by El Gibbon

It is really interesting to see that "others" ( non-Americans who really don't have A Dog In This Fight), become so polarized over the next US president. As the only Merican sitting around the beer table during the primaries it was an experience being told whom to vote for by folks that really don't understand the system. All well-meaning BTW but still not a clue how the system works. One man/woman cannot totally control the country, no matter how much you believe it to be so.

Absolute lack of knowledge on a topic certainly doesn't deter some people from flapping their lips.

That's why god invented TD Issues.

Originally Posted by El Gibbon

It is really interesting to see that "others" ( non-Americans who really don't have A Dog In This Fight), become so polarized over the next US president.

Well lets face it, we became pretty polarised over the current one too.

Originally Posted by Norton

They may not have a "dog in the fight" but are rightfully worried about getting a nasty bite from the top dog!

or the dog coming around and shitting on their lawn.

^ ROW leaders (except Putin) are too hogtied by unions, PC issues and immigrants to do anything but whinny. Poor Europe.

China, while largely still agrarian and backwater, probably has as many astute, tuned-in and clever politicians and leaders as any other country today. They also have a system that allows them to prosecute action with little regard for their "masses."

They're cognizant that everybody's watching them. I wouldn't think of them as hogtied -- in the European sense.

^ True, I was thinking of Euro (hence my last clause). Asia is different.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Poor Europe.

Poor Iraq. A certain inertia on the world stage is not such a bad thing.

Political and military meddling may sometimes become inevitable, but we rarely know the true consequences in hindsight. A nation that enjoys a fine standard of living, such as the western European countries, really has few reasons to go to war with another unless it's own security is under threat (hence the lies about Saddams WMD's). It will take many years for Iraqi's to regain the standard of living they had under Saddam, before the UN sanctions, and it is still uncertain if it will remain together as a nation.

More hollow rhetoric from a disgruntled non-participant of the glorious liberation.
Read up a bit on life under Saddam and tell us how great it was.

Sometimes sacrifices are in order for a better future.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

The last time I checked, there was no legal or strategic interpretation of evil. An open-ended war on evil leads to Armageddon.

Al Jazeera English - IMPERIUM - Evil in the US elections

Originally Posted by Texpat

Read up a bit on life under Saddam and tell us how great it was.

I have. If it wasn't for the fact that Saddam was a military thug, and an unsuccesful one at that- getting his ass kicked by first the Iranians, then the Americans- he would not have actually been so bad as a leader. A country that has the highest standard of living in the region, the highest educational attainment and the highest participation of women in the Professions, has some things to be said for it. It was also run along secular lines- a bastion, like Turkey, against Islamic Fundamentalism.

Gassing the Kurds in the north.
Fighting with neighbors Iran for nearly a decade.
Invading Kuwait for riches to relieve his war debt. Threatening Saudi Arabia.

Within his first week in office in 1979, he tried and executed 22 Baath Party leaders for treason and being disloyal.

"Saddam Hussein's regime has carried out frequent summary executions, including:

• 4,000 prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in 1984;
• 3,000 prisoners at the Mahjar prison from 1993-1998;
• 2,500 prisoners were executed between 1997-1999 in a "prison cleansing campaign;"
• 122 political prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in February/March 2000;
• 23 political prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in October 2001; and
• At least 130 Iraqi women were beheaded between June 2000 and April 2001."

http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/19675.htm

Eventually he was tried and executed by his countrymen.

Your kind of leader, eh Sabang?

^ Thats about 10,000 executions, which pales in comparison to the casualties of war in Iraq.
Not my kind of leader at all, but it's going to take some years for Iraq to get back to the same living standards. Then you add the other risks of Civil War, Islamic fundamentalism, and the Insurgency and nope, never worth it.

^^Pick, pick, pick.

Yes, a true champion of women's rights...

At least 130 Iraqi women were beheaded between June 2000 and April 2001.

pick, pick, pick ...

Well a little political discussion and you guys are bickering already.

As an American I feel Obama might win. There is alot against him, we have many biggots still (my own parents used the n word until 10 years ago).
How great is it that we can have an incredibly talented man go this far in the election despite the fact that his race alone use to ban him to the back of the bus and seperate rest rooms in the past.

I left the US because it has become such an uhhappy place..perhaps he can refurish the country with a new sense of pride. As you know, in the past , when you traveled it was really cool to be an American. Now many pretend they are Canadian!

We need young new ideas..Mc Cains ok if there were no other choice..........

^See the link is appropriately named.

Originally Posted by panthira

Well a little political discussion and you guys are bickering already.

As an American I feel Obama might win. There is alot against him, we have many biggots still (my own parents used the n word until 10 years ago).
How great is it that we can have an incredibly talented man go this far in the election despite the fact that his race alone use to ban him to the back of the bus and seperate rest rooms in the past.

I left the US because it has become such an uhhappy place..perhaps he can refurish the country with a new sense of pride. As you know, in the past , when you traveled it was really cool to be an American. Now many pretend they are Canadian!

We need young new ideas..Mc Cains ok if there were no other choice..........

Do a little research on Barry O and you'll find contrary to the popular buzz Barry O is old style south Chicago politics in all it's nebulous glory. He's a typical vacillating tax and spend liberal democrat who has gotten to where he is largely because he is black. Americans want a black President unfortunately Barry O isn't the best choice out there amongst the many talented african american leaders out there.
His only real accomplishments that I can see are some community organizing in Chicago and some asbestos removal deal. He made an elegant speech at the DNC in 2004 and he's been riding that wave ever since. Really there's very little to go on.
Geraldine Ferraro summed it up and got severely spanked as a result.

Thanks mr earl I'll check Barry O out.

McCain ahead by 5 points!


..have we mentioned that the War Hero always wins?
No? Well, it's gonna happen y'all!

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

McCain ahead by 5 points!


..have we mentioned that the War Hero always wins?
No? Well, it's gonna happen y'all!

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Don't go counting yor chickens just yet.

It's gonna be be close but the man of tempered steel will win.

^ I'm not gonns be bothered reading no Drudge report, but the main Polls have Obama 2-3 points ahead. So close. The VP pick will be quite important, and of course the Dem convention is next, to get the bitter Hillaryites out of the way once and for all.

^gotta agree Zogby had John Kerry leading in 2004 right up until he conceded
And Kerry was white as the driven snow!