Thread: Guantanamo disgrace... show your stories here.

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

“Why do so many foreigners spend their lives in attempts to find fault with America?”

No answer

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There have been plenty of answers to your questions. It's either your wilful blindness or not liking the answers that prohibits you from acknowledging that fact.

In either event it's more than you've accorded anyone else - you ignore any questions that don't support your preconceived notions. Interesting that you've used this same question/no answer nonsense in this and the Chomsky thread also.

[Or if you prefer, you can hurl more childish insults instead of facing the issue I brought up.

Hoho that's rich! Look back through this thread, who is it that's always the first with the name-calling. Have you no shame or are you just a bald-faced hypocrite?

My goodness. look at Ant falling all over himself trying to discredit Americans. It's rather inelegant isn't it? Especially from someone from perhaps the least relevant place in the world...some meaningless island in the south pacific and he's some half native anyway.

Well, we forgive him.

This thread is what you call - dog chasing one's tail mentality. (circular)

^^

I gave you the benefit of the doubt earlier, you are a fool sir!

Originally Posted by flash

I am also from a small meaningless island, but after spending a lot of time in America I know where I would rather live

Don't tell me let me guess... you are from...gee I forgot. I almost had the name of your small meaningless island, but I forgot it. Can you remind us all again?

Take a wild guess fool

I don't think you could be more arrogant

Trust me, he could.

He has yet to pull out the big-guns. Usually he starts with the telling all and sundry how rich and wonderful he is. Which is funny, because I know some pretty successful people and not one of them feels compelled to brag about it on an anonymous internet forum. It's like he's trying to convince someone... Anyways, I digress.

Then he'll start telling you that you don't earn enough money to support your family. Yes, he even knows how much you earn despite the fact that: a) he has no idea what you do; b) he has no idea how much you earn.

So yeah, arrogant? Pffft, you ain't seen nothing yet!

all the money in the world can't change the fact that he is a dumb American(this is not anti-American unless you are one of the dumb ones)

Originally Posted by flash

I am also from a small meaningless island, but after spending a lot of time in America I know where I would rather live

Yes, we all know where you would rather live. You are a quite meaningless rube from some small island similar to Ant's island. What do you do? spend your time breaking coconuts, like Ant. He at least tried to make something of himself though failed.

These little Island people at least deserve some modicum of respect.

Aunty, dear. Am I still on your ignore list?

Originally Posted by flash

all the money in the world can't change the fact that he is a dumb American(this is not anti-American unless you are one of the dumb ones)

True. Mind you, on the off-chance that he is actually well off, he could pay people to stroke his ego for him.

At least one thing he's not now is a moderator; he used to pull this same petty, childish nonsense when he was and delete posts to cover his tracks.

what is your measurement for success? how many people you can impress on an internet forum?
Not too many coconuts around Ireland stupid
I imagine you haven't got a pot to piss in

My first and prolly last post on this thread- the US government is publicly considering closing down Gitmo. Y'know, even the Bush administration.

Whatever small benefits it may have gleened in the "War on Terror" by the simple expedient of holding suspects outside of US territory, and thus maintaining they are not subject to US due process, Human Rights or Constitutional issues, have been far outweighed by the damage to US prestige around the world, which in turn strengthens your enemies. It has been a Failure.

One thing i'm curious to know is who dreamed up the GITMO idea in the first place? Seems like a Cheney idea to me.

Originally Posted by sabang

My first and prolly last post on this thread- the US government is publicly considering closing down Gitmo. Y'know, even the Bush administration.

That's a blow to the justification that some have been employing that it's there so it must be ok.

Whatever small benefits it may have gleened in the "War on Terror" by the simple expedient of holding suspects outside of US territory, and thus maintaining they are not subject to US due process, Human Rights or Constitutional issues, have been far outweighed by the damage to US prestige around the world, which in turn strengthens your enemies. It has been a Failure.

Excellently put.

Ello, Aunty popet! When will you play this game with us?

Originally Posted by chinthee

Aunty, dear. Am I still on your ignore list?

He'll soon be talking to just himself with all the folks he has on ignore.

Surely CMN jerked off over this double century before he went to bed.

He's weird like that.

Americans: 0
Rest of the Civilized World: 1

Originally Posted by chinthee

Aunty, dear. Am I still on your ignore list?

Originally Posted by chinthee

Yes, we all know where you would rather live. You are a quite meaningless rube from some small island similar to Ant's island. What do you do? spend your time breaking coconuts, like Ant. He at least tried to make something of himself though failed.

These little Island people at least deserve some modicum of respect.

Originally Posted by chinthee

Ello, Aunty popet! When will you play this game with us?

Originally Posted by chinthee

My goodness. look at Ant falling all over himself trying to discredit Americans. It's rather inelegant isn't it? Especially from someone from perhaps the least relevant place in the world...some meaningless island in the south pacific and he's some half native anyway.

Public Service for Ant and chinthee

Those baddies are still locked up.

America: 1
Rest of World: who gives a shit?

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

this is good, independant journalism in my opinion.....

from the same article.

Even if Khadr did kill Sgt. Speer, he did so as a soldier, not a terrorist. There’s little doubt that Ahmed Khadr was training his sons to be terrorists — the sort of people who blow up buses and restaurants, or who wear civilian clothing as they lie in wait to detonate explosives under vehicle convoys. But what Omar Khadr did on June 27, 2002 wasn’t terrorism. It was participation in a military engagement — a fact that can’t be changed merely by slapping a label like “unlawful combatant” on him.

Moreover, it was a military engagement fought on American terms: After U.S. soldiers sealed off the village encampment housing Khadr’s cell, they prosecuted the siege with about 100 troops, some of them Special Forces, as well as Apache helicopters, F-18 Hornets and A-10 Warthogs. You can say that Khadr was fighting in an evil cause when he was captured, but you can’t say that he was preying on the defenseless.



Even if you don’t buy anything I’ve written above, Khadr’s treatment still ranks as abominable. Let us assume that Omar Khadr actually threw the grenade that killed Sgt Christopher Speer; that he did so as a cold-blooded killer, not as a soldier; and that his status as a child combatant is irrelevant — in short, that Omar Khadr is a murderer. Well then, how do we treat murderers in Western countries? Answer: We put them in jail. We don’t beat them; or move them from cell to cell every three hours; or terrify them with threats of pedophilic rape; or deny them appropriate medical care — all punishments that Khadr has endured — a litany of abuse so traumatic that, according to one piteous detail among many, he took to falling asleep at Guantanamo desperately hugging a Mickey Mouse book brought to him as a gift. In the space of six years incarceration, Khadr has endured more brutality than any ordinary jailbird would endure in 60.

Let me get this straight he attends a terrorist camp and receives terrorist training. Just because they weren't in the immediate act of commiting an obvious terrorist attack, they aren't terrorists. Howabout when they shot down in cold blood a couple of Afghani translators who were negotiating with them? That's a dirty low down sneaky act (while wearing civilian clothing I might add ).

I like how the author sounds so "fair" in the first two paragraphs and in the third paragraph he pours on all sorts of outrageous unfounded accusations and sentimantal bs.

terrify them with threats of pedophilic rape; or deny them appropriate medical care

says who? link please? proof please?

a litany of abuse so traumatic that, according to one piteous detail among many, he took to falling asleep at Guantanamo desperately hugging a Mickey Mouse book brought to him as a gift.

Pu-leez. Who is the audience this drivel is attempting to reach? Let me guess the Mickey Mouse book was brought by his lawyer and the story was conveyed by his lawyer, right? Right? I'm reminded of Leslie Abramson, the lawyer who defended the Menendez brothers at their first trial. She would dote over them, picking lint off their sweaters and straightening out wrinkles in their shirts. Like a loving mother, she explained how they had been abused. The trial ended with a hung jury. She almost pulled it off.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Those baddies are still locked up.

America: 1
Rest of World: who gives a shit?

Operative statement of the day!

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Cardigan is a lovely place, ever been there CMN?

sneaky bastard, and you never thought to mention you were you.

such a high level of secrecy is what makes you such a wonderful TV mole.

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

The US government is going to have policies, you, texpat, me, Chomskt, Butterfly and everyone else on the planet disagrees with. Get over it. Or Spend your entire life angry about things you have no control over. Seems a waste of a life to me, but it is your choice.

as English philosopher Edmund Burke once said, ‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.’