Thread: Guantanamo disgrace... show your stories here.

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why are you even participating in this conversation??

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Originally Posted by chintee

it's racist but you know it's true and lies deep in the heart of every white UK citizen.

sorry chintee, that applies to nobody at all that i know.

Much like your stereotypes of Americans. Nobody I know like that. But if you can believe your fantasies, shouldn't Chinthee be allowed to believe his?

Originally Posted by Texpat

Much like your stereotypes of Americans.

what does this have to do with american stereotypes anyway?

this is about the rotten blot on your country that is gitmo.

try justifying its existance in a logical manner.

Ouch, sorry for exposing your hypocritical nature. Won't happen again.

Your stereotypes are clever, witty and spot-on. Ours are just boorish, Got it.

^ You're really quite immature sometimes Tex.

It's patently obvious you have no reasonable or rational answers so you're just diverting and attacking assumed positions.

What stereotypes are you talking about exactly?

well put britvic.

slow day at thai visa?

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Perhaps if you gave some actual honest answers to questions instead of all this disingenuity, Brit.

You're quite bull-headed all the time Ant.

There. We're even.

This thread is nothing but a shitfest. There's nothing you will say that will change my position. You've been saying the same thing for a year now.

I'm 100% unconvinced the US is doing anything wrong in Gitmo. These terrorists are lucky to be alive and I'm quite sure if they had speedy trials in 2002 and 2003 when they were captured they'd all be dead right now. Ever consider that? Then you whiney wanks would be wound up about that.

Maybe it's a good thing they practiced a little restraint. Maybe some of them will be let out of their cage. I hope not.

Ant, and CMN you should be ashamed, hitting and hammering retards is not a nice thing to do, regardless of the nationality

Why do so many foreigners spend their lives in attempts to find fault with America?

Don't they have lives?

How does this obssession make their lives more meaningful and enjoyable?

SOrry, don't get it.

Please explain.

Ant how many hours of your life has been spend in seeking out information that reenforces your hatred of everything US?

Hell, at least Chomsy gets rich from doing it, what do you get out of it?

Tex

Are you really that stupid?

Originally Posted by Texpat

You're quite bull-headed all the time Ant.

Ironic.

This thread is nothing but a shitfest. There's nothing you will say that will change my position. You've been saying the same thing for a year now.

You have a position?? Has faceitous as that may sound it's a genuine question; you chop and change and shift the posts with such frequency it's dizzying. Any verifiable fact that is inconvenient to your arguments simply gets glossed over as you move onto another point or even outright ignored.

It's called intellectual dishonesty Tex and you're well practised at it. Classic example:

I'm 100% unconvinced the US is doing anything wrong in Gitmo. These terrorists are lucky to be alive and I'm quite sure if they had speedy trials in 2002 and 2003 when they were captured they'd all be dead right now.

Well they haven't had speedy trials and they haven't been convicted of anything and to claim they're all auotmatically guilty purely by the fact of their being there is a logical fallacy. Prisoners have been released from Gitmo having been found innocent; under your definition they should still be there or be executed. It's completely illogical yet you insist on repeating the same fallacies over and over at the expense of verifiable fact. You're not convincing anyone else, are you convincing yourself?

^^^ and then the third clown joined in

Originally Posted by thegent

Are you really that stupid?

well, he was in the service

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

How does this obssession make their lives more meaningful and enjoyable?

ju8st wanting to see some justice.

Originally Posted by Texpat

These terrorists are lucky to be alive and I'm quite sure if they had speedy trials in 2002 and 2003 when they were captured they'd all be dead right now

excellent tex, so you'd be happy to know the Americans had killed the lord knows how many innocents that have been released from gitmo.

might have saved you lot a bit of embarrassment no doubt.

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

Ant how many hours of your life has been spend in seeking out information that reenforces your hatred of everything US?

Clearly more than you do on formulating logical, intelligent and reasoned posts on this forum.

Try answering an actual post I've written instead of inventing positions for me and then attacking those. It's called "debate". What you're doing now is swinging at phantoms in your own head. And missing.

The US government is going to have policies, you, texpat, me, Chomskt, Butterfly and everyone else on the planet disagrees with.


Get over it.

Or

Spend your entire life angry about things you have no control over. Seems a waste of a life to me, but it is your choice.

Yes, Ant I agree you spend more time seeking out information to reenforce your hatred than I spend on this or any forum.

Cheers

Enjoy it

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

The US government is going to have policies, you, texpat, me, Chomskt, Butterfly and everyone else on the planet disagrees with.


Get over it.

Or

Spend your entire life angry about things you have no control over. Seems a waste of a life to me, but it is your choice.

Those policies can have far reaching ramifications.

What's so wrong with constructive criticism and debate? Why do you feel the compulsion to shout it down? It's very undemocratic you know.

Ant's a crusader.

He's here to convince the 500 posters and 6,000 aliases that he's right. Nothing more.

Originally Posted by chinthee

I didn't bring Ozzies into the discussion, as I believe they are pretty smart and practical about the whole thing.

If you mean that Aussies would agree with this aspect of the war in Iraq you would be wrong - Parliamentary Library

Australians in Guantanamo Bay
A chronology of the detention of Mamdouh Habib and David Hicks

In the months and years following the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001 on the United States, a number of people suspected of involvement with terrorist organisations or their activities were apprehended in various countries around the world. Many of these people were, and in some cases still are, detained by the United States at the US military facility at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. Two Australian citizens, Mamdouh Habib and David Hicks, were both transferred to US custody following their apprehension in Pakistan in October 2001 and in Afghanistan in December 2001, respectively.
In July 2003, David Hicks became one of the first six Guantanamo Bay detainees to be determined by President George W. Bush to be eligible for trial by Military Commission. Mr Hicks was eventually charged on 10 June 2004 with conspiracy to commit war crimes, attempted murder and aiding the enemy. He pleaded not guilty to each charge.
Mr Habib was released on 28 January 2005 on the basis that there was insufficient evidence to lay charges against him.
The US Government maintained that it had a substantial case in relation to Mr Hicks. The Australian Government has maintained that it is not possible to bring Mr Hicks back to Australia to be prosecuted under Australian law and that once he was charged, the US prosecution process had to be allowed to take its course.
The military commission process was found to be unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court on 29 June 2006. The new Military Commissions Act 2006 was passed in the US Congress in September 2006. Mr Hicks was the first detainee to be brought to trial.

No doubt they were involved in anti0US actions and they were given a TRIAL after a lot of pressure by the Australian public forced the Australian government to intercede on their behalf.

And that is the crux of this thread - not the perceived Yank bashing, nor the red, white and blue sphincter tightening of American posters who think any criticism of anything linked to the US pertains to the whole history and population of the US.

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

Yes, Ant I agree you spend more time seeking out information to reenforce your hatred than I spend on this or any forum.

Cheers

Enjoy it

Sweet baby Jesus, you're a child! Grow-up you intellectual fraud.

If you can't participate in reasonable conversation then leave it to the adults.

Ant's a crusader.

He's here to convince the 500 posters and 6,000 aliases that he's right. Nothing more.

The foregoing applies to you too Tex. You guys need to take a long, hard, look at yourselves.

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getting a little testy are we?

Did I ask some questions that bother you?