Thread: Guantanamo disgrace... show your stories here.

Originally Posted by Texpat

The fact is you're wrong and you can't seem to come to terms with that. You are the minority. You are the dissenting voice. I seem to be the only one listening to you.

Translation: I surrender

This whole debate has been going around in circles for many months on another thread. Positions, both in America and elsewhere vary widely. Legal experts disagree.

However, it is interesting to note that:

WASHINGTON (AFP) - In a victory for the Bush administration, a US judge ruled Thursday that the first Guantanamo prison war crimes trial, against Osama bin Laden's former driver, can go ahead as scheduled next week. Hamdan, 37, is the first "enemy combatant" from the US "war on terror" to face a military tribunal since the Guantanamo prison camp was opened in late 2001.

Judge OKs first Guantanamo war crimes trial - Yahoo! News

Anybody want to argue that Bin Laden's driver shouldn't go on trial? When he was arrested, he had a couple of surface to air missles in the boot.

I agree he and others had to wait much too long for trial, and that aspect I think is what deserves a lot of scrutiny right now.

What other nation on the planet would have exhibited such benevolence as to resist killing him outright, on the spot?

probably none.

What a remarkable act of kindness.

Its not much fun torturing a corpse Tex

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

their confusing their khadr's with their Hameds again.

Originally Posted by britmaveric

^All SAME SAME

The saddest bit is you appear to be saying this without the slightest embarrassment or hint of shame...

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Dunno - Fox News is perhaps the most watched news station in the world.

That does not make it a reliable source. The whole world once 'knew' that the Earth was flat...

Originally Posted by chinthee

Anybody want to argue that Bin Laden's driver shouldn't go on trial? When he was arrested, he had a couple of surface to air missles in the boot.

Then he belongs to an International Tribunal, but since the war is illegal anyhow, we are in a judicial void for prosecuting him,

Originally Posted by Texpat

What other nation on the planet would have exhibited such benevolence as to resist killing him outright, on the spot?

Yes, most of the civilized countries around the world, unless you are comparing yourself to the likes of Syria, Israel, Iran, and most of Africa

Originally Posted by chinthee

Grow up. Travel a little. Visit the US before spouting this crap.

I have.

Originally Posted by chinthee

A-J is not available, which is an interesting fact in itself. There was recently one cable station on the east coast that has defied FCC and has broadcasted AJ. Not sure where that stands.

Interesting fact?

Damning fact, IMO.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Then he belongs to an International Tribunal, but since the war is illegal anyhow, we are in a judicial void for prosecuting him,

BF, I didn't realize you were a qualified international attorney experienced in multi-national jurisdictional disputes and International conflicts of Laws.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Interesting fact? Damning fact, IMO.

I agree entirely. It's a damn shame and a black mark on the world's bastion of free speech. This is truly a sad fact.

Originally Posted by chinthee

BF, I didn't realize you were a qualified international attorney experienced in multi-national jurisdictional disputes and International conflicts of Laws.

I don't see where he claimed any of this, have you got a link?

Originally Posted by chinthee

BF, I didn't realize you were a qualified international attorney experienced in multi-national jurisdictional disputes and International conflicts of Laws.

well believe or not, I went through a few international law classes, IN THE US, and the first thing we were taught was the chain of priority of legal authorities,

back to you chief,

Flash, chill a little. It was a joke, I know BF personally. But, I still meant the slam....

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

that was a painless century.

Issues and games dont count.

Originally Posted by Texpat

working on the USS Okinawa, you really don't run into many Americans only 20,000 or so.

erm, hardly representative of the average yank.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Why does it matter where I live Flash? I spent all but a few years of my life outside the US. Who cares where I happen to hang my hat ........................ 53 00 N, 8 00 W (mid, damn that was too easy)

sorry I missed this edit you did before, what was too easy?

Originally Posted by Texpat

What other nation on the planet would have exhibited such benevolence as to resist killing him outright, on the spot? probably none. What a remarkable act of kindness.

Are you really saying this without a smirk on your face?

Originally Posted by Panda

It should be quite obvious

Should being the key word...

Originally Posted by Texpat

What other nation on the planet would have exhibited such benevolence as to resist killing him outright, on the spot?

probably none.

What a remarkable act of kindness.

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Sheesh, and I thought Boon Mee was bad for this kinda thing!

We'll see if you're singing the same tune after Tower of London is leveled, or Houses of Parliament, or; gee I can't think of any landmark in little Auckland, sorry.

I suspect once that happens and thousands upon thousands of your countrymen die in a fireball, that you might just be a bit more expansive on your government's tactics in handling terror suspects.

Originally Posted by Texpat

What other nation on the planet would have exhibited such benevolence as to resist killing him outright, on the spot?

probably none.

What a remarkable act of kindness.

Oh, you are right.

How could I have been so blind?

All hail the great benevolent Empire!

^^ Two wrongs dont make a right. The Uk suffered plentry of deaths at the hands of the IRA (who were funded by many New Yorkers). We never invaded their country over it though, nor did we illegally imprison suspects.

Originally Posted by chinthee

We'll see if you're singing the same tune after Tower of London is leveled, or Houses of Parliament, or; gee I can't think of any landmark in little Auckland, sorry.

I suspect once that happens and thousands upon thousands of your countrymen die in a fireball, that you might just be a bit more expansive on your government's tactics in handling terror suspects.

Emotive argument and the desire for nationalistic revenge should not over rule the principles of justice for "suspected" terrorists or anyone else for that matter in a civilized society.

Originally Posted by Spin

^^ Two wrongs dont make a right. The Uk suffered plentry of deaths at the hands of the IRA (who were funded by many New Yorkers). We never invaded their country over it though, nor did we illegally imprison suspects.

Do you really think that dog will hunt?

I think a lot of Northern Irish to this day might disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Panda

Emotive argument and the desire for nationalistic revenge should not over rule the principles of justice for "suspected" terrorists or anyone else for that matter in a civilized society.

Yes, you have a point, but don't confuse the different levels of protections offered for citizens of your country versus citizens of a combatant nation or rogue individuals. There are different levels of legal due process and not everyone is accorded the full faith and credit of your country's protections in such a conflict.

Originally Posted by Panda

Originally Posted by chinthee

We'll see if you're singing the same tune after Tower of London is leveled, or Houses of Parliament, or; gee I can't think of any landmark in little Auckland, sorry.

I suspect once that happens and thousands upon thousands of your countrymen die in a fireball, that you might just be a bit more expansive on your government's tactics in handling terror suspects.

Emotive argument and the desire for nationalistic revenge should not over rule the principles of justice for "suspected" terrorists or anyone else for that matter in a civilized society.

For the life of me I can't fathom why some posters think that chinthee's arrogant.

Anyways, you're 100% correct there Panda. There's no moral high-ground to be taken in claiming eye-for-an-eye justice (Old Testament Style!).

If only for the fact that 2,974 people tragically lost their lives in the 9/11 attacks. How many more thousands have died in Iraq; a country that had nothing to do with the attacks of that day? How many more will die?