Thread: What kind of religion condones this?

Originally Posted by obsidian

did i miss this somewhere in the thread?

Originally Posted by Texpat

stoned and murdered 5,000 people a year

Post 96. A San Francisco Chronicle article from Jan. 08


"While statistics are notoriously hard to come by due to the private nature of such crimes and the fact that very few are reported, the United Nations Population Fund approximates that as many as 5,000 women are murdered in this manner each year worldwide. Undoubtedly that's a low estimate, as reports from Turkey, Jordan, Pakistan and the Palestinian territories, among other locales, are filtering in at an alarming rate. Add to the list Germany, Sweden, other parts of Europe, the United Kingdom, Canada, and the United States, and it's clear that young Muslim women in the West are becoming increasingly vulnerable."

isnt this an approximation of the number of honour killings?

this is very different what i am taliking about and i think different than what the op is about.

The Koran states flogging 100 lashes (I think), but the Hadith Sahih Al Bukhari mentions stoning 4 times. (The Prophet ordered a man from the tribe Bani Aslam to be stoned to death.)
A question arrises as to whether this incident happened before or after the revelation you quote 24.2 "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication flog each of them".

Originally Posted by G2b

The Koran states flogging 100 lashes (I think), but the Hadith Sahih Al Bukhari mentions stoning 4 times. (The Prophet ordered a man from the tribe Bani Aslam to be stoned to death.)

The Quranic verses were revealed to Mohammad in parts over 20+ years. Muslims who have the brains to go through the past incidents and compare events will definitely come to the same conclusion as me, that is, if ever Mohammed ordered any stoning then it was before the revelation of verse 24:2 as he was practicing the laws of Moses and Abraham.

Today, majority of Muslims refer to verse 24:3, not stoning to death.

Originally Posted by machangezi

According to Muslim scholars any hadith that conflicts with the Quran (or Quranic laws) is not authentic.

But you don't agree with the 'Muslim scholars' - you said so on another thread.

^ If the Koran is the word of God and you don't follow it, doesn't that make you blasphemous?

Originally Posted by machangezi

Listen fuckwit, never said I don't follow the Quran.

Originally Posted by machangezi

Now from Islamic point of view women must wear hijab to cover her head (not that sack of shit - head to toe). From my point of view it is up to the women to decide.

Lying again? Surely it is your duty to ensure all good Muslim women cover their heads, because it says so in the Koran.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by machangezi

Listen fuckwit, never said I don't follow the Quran.

Originally Posted by machangezi

Now from Islamic point of view women must wear hijab to cover her head (not that sack of shit - head to toe). From my point of view it is up to the women to decide.

Lying again? Surely it is your duty to ensure all good Muslim women cover their heads, because it says so in the Koran.

Quran doesn't say that men should force women to put on hijab, you fuckwit.

You'd only understand my posts, if you had brains. Do you know brain is a pre-requisite for holding an educated discussion?

^ You're so owned you have to resort to childish insults as usual.

Educated and intelligent posters are welcome to have discussion. Not you, sorry.

Re-read the posts and try to understand what is going on. Feck me, you're a native English nutter. Shouldn't be hard for you to comprehend.

There are radical Muslims and radical Christians.
Invading peoples countries and backing unjust military dictatorships who suppress the masses by force of arms is sure to bring out the more radical elements of any religion. We get back what we give out. The war against terror and radical Mulisism can never be won by oppression of the people and military force.

Originally Posted by machangezi

Educated and intelligent posters are welcome to have discussion.

Just had a look in the computer section at you recent posts.

The Koran states that women should dress modestly
I don't think there is anything about veils etc.

G2b mate, you got it right. The likes of Marmite just like to run their mouth is all.

Originally Posted by Panda

There are radical Muslims and radical Christians.
Invading peoples countries and backing unjust military dictatorships who suppress the masses by force of arms is sure to bring out the more radical elements of any religion. We get back what we give out. The war against terror and radical Mulisism can never be won by oppression of the people and military force.

And when was the last time Christians went and cut people heads off or stoned someone death?

It is not a religious war in Iraq.

Originally Posted by chitown

It is not a religious war in Iraq.

Whilst I'm inclined to agree with you it's easy to see how some might be confused:

-A President must set great goals, worthy of a great nation. We're a great nation. Therefore, a President must set big goals. I set a goal for this country to make the world more peaceful by spreading freedom. Freedom is not America's gift to the world, freedom is God's gift to each and every individual in the world. I set a great goal here at home.

-I based a lot of my foreign policy decisions on some things that I think are true. One, I believe there's an Almighty, and secondly, I believe one of the great gifts of the Almighty is the desire in everybody's soul, regardless of what you look like or where you live, to be free.

-The short-term objective of this country is to find an enemy and bring them to justice before they strike us. The long-term objective is to make this world a more free and hopeful and peaceful place. I believe we'll succeed because freedom is the Almighty God's gift to every man and woman in this world.

-I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job.

-All of you — all in this generation of our military — have taken up the highest calling of history. You're defending your country, and protecting the innocent from harm. And wherever you go, you carry a message of hope — a message that is ancient and ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, "To the captives, 'come out,' — and to those in darkness, 'be free.'

G. W. Bush.

Originally Posted by Panda

There are radical Muslims and radical Christians.
Invading peoples countries and backing unjust military dictatorships who suppress the masses by force of arms is sure to bring out the more radical elements of any religion. We get back what we give out. The war against terror and radical Mulisism can never be won by oppression of the people and military force.

Exactly. Islam isn't the problem; sociopathic, misogynist, psychotic wankers are the problem and they use Islam to justify their actions. The religion itself is not to blame, and it's rather sad to see it misappropriated in such a manner.

A bit like 'God told me to invade Iraq and persecute homos' really. Religion will always be used by bastards because it's a powerful controlling tool.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

100% of the World's Most Dangerous Terrorists Happen to be Muslim:

I don't doubt the people in your list are terrorists, but I think the last four or five American presidents could probably be added to the list, which would even out the religious aspect of the erroneous statistics that you have provided.

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

100% of the World's Most Dangerous Terrorists Happen to be Muslim:

I don't doubt the people in your list are terrorists, but I think the last four or five American presidents could probably be added to the list, which would even out the religious aspect of the erroneous statistics that you have provided.

Care to expand on that K. pickel?

"The world's top diplomat for Islam called on Friday for an end to what he termed efforts to equate the religion with terrorism and said the 'demonization' of Muslims around the world must be fought."
"There was a "rising tide of incitement to religious hatred and discrimination and intolerance targeting Muslims," he told a meeting called by the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) at the United Nations in Geneva. The 57-nation OIC, based in Saudi Arabia, represents 1.5 billion Muslims."

Fair enough.

Remember the Salem Witch Hunts by God fearing Christians?

Last week was it?