Thread: Question: Who exports the most death?

GB the biggest exporter of death?

Shameful. A failed, misguided attempt to remain relevant. A vicious, bloodthirsty bunch who send their role-models over to kill a few baddies, ship weapons and export death and lock up migrants for eight years ...

Absolutely unforgiveable.

Originally Posted by attaboy

My apologies, my connection keeps dropping. I don't see Israel listed in your link, Ivor.

No. My apology, as I can't find the page again. I concede that on other sites Britain is claimed as the biggest exporter of death and Israel 4th. Israel is the biggest exporter of weapons to the US. This may have got me confused. But I'll keep looking for the original link.

Toyota ?

Originally Posted by sabang

. How, I wonder. Foreign aid budgets? Lease agreements? Training? (thats one I know has been used by the Brits- many Hawk fighters were sold to African nations as training planes, and somehow avoided the arms sales figures). Pro rata 'gifts', in exchange for infrastructural contracts? Dodgy bookkeeping? 'Black Budgets'?

Well isn't there some way that you could blame that on the US?
Just doesn't sound like you without that being done.

Wales - it's got to be the Welsh

Seriously though, the UK won 10 billion pounds (about 20 billion U.S. dollars) of new defense orders in 2007 from overseas, giving it a 33 percent share of the world export market

Ford ?

Originally Posted by sabang

^ I dunno the complex mechanisms involved, but quite a few arms exports to friendly regimes are hidden, or at least obfuscated. How, I wonder. Foreign aid budgets? Lease agreements? Training? (thats one I know has been used by the Brits- many Hawk fighters were sold to African nations as training planes, and somehow avoided the arms sales figures). Pro rata 'gifts', in exchange for infrastructural contracts? Dodgy bookkeeping? 'Black Budgets'?

Limited only by imagination, Political will and crookedness I reckon. Wouldn't actually surprise me if the US is less miscreant than most in this regard, given it's general preference for transparency, but I'd bet a pound to a penny that they do it too.

Incidentally, it is well known that US aid to Israel is well understated in the official figures. Loan guarantees (in which the US is often the loaner as well) alone dwarf the official aid figures.

No, you don't know the complex mechanisms involved nor do you know even the simplest of them. STFU!

Nissan ?

The US are not exporting "death", but "freedom".

Sniffing around for greens are you RA?

Originally Posted by BugginOut

No, you don't know the complex mechanisms involved

As I said. I also know it happens though.

Do you have a point to make? We need more cannon fodder here.

I bet nobody complained about the US arms industry "exporting death" in WW2.

Originally Posted by RobAnderson

I bet nobody complained about the US arms industry "exporting death" in WW2.

Plenty complaining in Japan and Germany, and probably a few Italians as well. As it was might have even been a few French bent about it as well - I heard they were pissed the US did not send them enough big white sheets quick enough.

The land of the red, white and blue/milk and honey.

I have heard from the Brits here the Guardian may not be the best source but here is an interesting piece on the UK sale to Saudi. No intent to single out the UK as all countries seem to have a habit of looking the other way when it comes to Arms sales. Not surprising countries find themselves at war with an enemy who in the past was a recipient of their weapons.

"According to the latest annual report on weapons-related exports, the government in 2006 approved arms exports to 19 of the 20 countries it identified as "countries of concern" for abusing human rights.

They included Saudi Arabia, Israel, Colombia, China, and Russia. The report also reveals that during 2006 the UK authorised the export of more than 15,000 sniper rifles to countries including Pakistan, Jordan, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, components for military aircraft and tanks for China, and heavy machine guns for Colombia.

They also included the sale of components for combat aircraft, electronic warfare equipment, helicopters, military aircraft cockpit displays, unmanned vehicles and anti-armour missiles for Israel."

UK tops world table of weapons sales | World news | The Guardian

Why am I not surprised. The hypocrites will be by any moment now to tell us what a piece of fishwrap the Guardian is...

Sniper rifles to Pakistan and Jordan... Heavy machine guns to Columbia...

More likely they'll all just go silent. That's their style -- passive aggressive hypocrites.