Thread: John McCain

Originally Posted by raycarey

this is not the thread for this, but feel free to post your 'evidence' of my shellacking on that thread

i'm looking forward to it willy.

go ahead and slink away now.

You and your little dog too. resent:

^^ We'll see if he signs a gasoline tax into law if he becomes president. That should cover everyone with a motor vehicle.

The bumbling old git McCain is the 2008 version of Bob Dole with a lot more baggage. Case in point: McCain cheated on and then abandoned his first wife Carol after she was disfigured in a car accident. And who was McCain's mistress while Carol sat home in a wheelchair? His current home-wrecker wife Cindy. That's far more repellent in my book than getting a BJ from an intern. McCain's an angry asshole who gets a free ride because of his sufferings as a war prisoner. I can't imagine Obama ever doing this to his wife:

The wife John McCain callously left behind | Mail Online

McCain's an angry asshole who gets a free ride because of his sufferings as a war prisoner.

Hogwash. What kind of free ride is McCain getting? He's held to the same standard as every other candidate. He doesn't ask or demand anyone make reference to his former POW status. In fact I'm sure he'd prefer it were not an issue.

Others do it because of how it makes THEM appear.

Originally Posted by floorpotato

I can't imagine Obama ever doing this to his wife:

The wife John McCain callously left behind | Mail Online

It's all conjecture and happenstance, FP. You never know.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Originally Posted by floorpotato

I can't imagine Obama ever doing this to his wife:
The wife John McCain callously left behind | Mail Online

It's all conjecture and happenstance, FP. You never know.

You're right. Much of what we say on this forum is conjecture, so let me restate a simple opinion without bringing Obama into this: A person of the high moral character that one would expect from a president would stand by a disabled spouse. The average person might cheat discreetly on a disabled spouse but remain loyal to his marriage vows. McCain stooped below those standards and dumped his disabled spouse for a younger, prettier woman. This won't help him with voters, especially women. Just an opinion.

The five and a half years John McCain spent as a POW is a long time for a beautiful, healthy woman to live without her husband. We assume that she was true and faithfull, but we don't know for sure. There is always two sides to every story. Hundreds of returning servicemen if not more face break-up of their marriage when they return home because of the time spent apart and many other reasons. Only they, the men and women, know the truth of each situation. For this reason we should not be down on John McCain-we don't really know. And, as Carol has said, he is the best man for president.

Originally Posted by ceburat

And, as Carol has said, he is the best man for president.

He pays her medical bills. Or is that Cindy?
Strange we haven't heard more about this from the vocal Religious Right. Perhaps, when push comes to shove, they are more Right than Religious. Hypocrites.

in the recent yahoo/politico Q & A session, mccain admitted he doesn't know how to use a computer.

why don't we just make this easier.....

how about if he lists the things he DOES know how to do....besides getting shot down and taken prisoner.

i'd like to take credit for that line, but i can't.

He's changing again. I cannot keep track of his real views, if they were ever real.

McCain attacks Guantánamo ruling

By Andrew Ward and Demetri Sevastopulo in Washington
Published: June 13 2008 21:44 | Last updated: June 13 2008 21:44

John McCain on Friday described the decision by the Supreme Court to allow Guantánamo Bay prisoners to challenge their detention in US courts as “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country”.

The Republican presidential candidate said he agreed with the four dissenting justices on the nine-member court that foreign fighters held at the detention camp were not entitled to the rights of US citizens.

He criticised Barack Obama, his Democratic opponent, for supporting the decision and said it highlighted the importance of nominating conservative judges to the Supreme Court. His remarks represented a hardening of his position from his more moderate initial response to the ruling on Thursday, signalling a strategic decision by the McCain campaign to make it an election issue.

Link: FT.com / In depth - McCain attacks Guantánamo ruling

I don't blame Mccain for the fact he is fighting this election carrying the baggage of the Bush administration.

Apparently however, he (or more accurately his tacticians) are responding to this by being flimflam merchants, offering inducements such as the gas tax exemption that make no sense, and backflipping on issues such as the Guantanamo ruling above, to play on popular fears.

The way it looks to me, Obama appeals to the 'thinking mans' vote, McCain is appealing to the great unwashed and the greedy affluent, who only ever want to pay less tax. It remains to be seen which is the majority, but it certainly leaves Mccains original message as a man of integrity and an individualist in tatters.

Originally Posted by sabang

Apparently however, he (or more accurately his tacticians) are responding to this by being flimflam merchants, offering inducements such as the gas tax exemption that make no sense, and backflipping on issues such as the Guantanamo ruling above, to play on popular fears

don't forget torture...he also flip-flopped on that issue.

he's a totally different candidate from 2000, and the members of the media know it. his biggest asset back then was that the media found his 'straight talk' refreshing and they played up that aspect in their reporting, and it really helped his campaign.

however, over the last two years (and particularly the last few months) they've watched the 2000 mccain disintegrate into the 2008 mccain, and once we get into august/sept. they're going to start pointing out that he's a shadow of his former self.

I can't get it why the angst over this old man? He's toast and will be defeated by this young, black, sexy, tall nextgen leader.

Get over McCain.

I think Obama will get it, but it's fairly close in the Polling at this stage.

Obama's approach for now is to make sure he wins in Michigan.

"Just about every map to victory appears to include keeping Michigan and its 17 electoral votes in the Democratic camp."

Obama's path to presidency goes through Michigan - CNN.com

I wonder why McCain didn't add Venezuela to his trip next month?

Jonathan Martin's Blog: McCain to Mexico - Politico.com

McCain to Mexico

The Trib's Jill Zuckman reports that in addition to his Colombia trip next month, McCain will visit Mexico.

As with on his trip to Europe and the Middle East this spring, McCain will be joined by Sen's Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman on his July 4th recess trek.

Uh, no I don't:
Chavez says U.S. relations could worsen with McCain | International | Reuters

Chavez says U.S. relations could worsen with McCain
CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, a socialist and fierce U.S. critic, warned on Tuesday that relations with Washington could worsen if Republican candidate John McCain wins this year's presidential election.

^ I reckon that's coz McC won't do kissyface with him. Obama has already sent out vibes that he'll talk to anyone. Let's be friends and please don't do naughty things anymore, which is really gonna work.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ I reckon that's coz McC won't do kissyface with him. Obama has already sent out vibes that he'll talk to anyone. Let's be friends and please don't do naughty things anymore, which is really gonna work.

Obama said he'll talk with those the US has issues with.

The rest of your post is not true. He's never said "let's be friends." Never said for them "not to be naughty anymore."

Where did you read this?

What countries/leaders are being "naughty" in your opinion?

According to the neo-con world view, the UN itself is naughty. Might be easier to make a lists of the nations that are not naughty.

Not many of them-
Australia (lap dogs, for security)
Poland (lap dogs, for money)
Israel (rather highly rewarded)
Turkey (Money)

The UK has probably dropped out now that they've ferked off out of Iraq, over US objections.

^^ True, MM, I was conjecturing. But, what will Obama do with recalitrants like Chavez, Il Jong, Mugabe, Ahmadinejad, Than Shwe, et al? Lots of worse than "naughty" acts done by leaders like these.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^^ True, MM, I was conjecturing. But, what will Obama do with recalitrants like Chavez, Il Jong, Mugabe, Ahmadinejad, Than Shwe, et al? Lots of worse than "naughty" acts done by leaders like these.

Chavez?

Who cares? (Oh, he does have oil.)

Ahmadindjad? He is not the leader of Iran, and doesn't even control the military.

Kim John Il? This is South Korea's problem (and Japan's to a lessor extent.)

Mugabe? It's a zimbabwe and African issue.

Than Schwe? I don't know.


My point: the above leaders I don't like. They are odd. But they are not a threat to the USA. The "threat" has been manufactured for several reasons, especially with Iran and North Korea.

Who cares?

McCain needs to think a bit before saying the first thing that pops into his head:

When asked about cigarettes being shipped to Iran during the Bush presidency:

Maybe that's a way of killing them

Political Play: Wife pokes McCain in the back