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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Oh, jealousy marches in.
    Does OB have reason to be jealous about McC's fundraising?

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    ^ the diff between panhandling (BO) and having a few of the rich family provide (JM). Why not? If it works, use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    I like how BO is slamming McCain for raising $3.5 mil at a PRIVATE fundraiser with George Dublya. 5555 Oh, jealousy marches in. Didn't BO do private fundraisers? How bout that one in San Francisco where he made the bitter booboo?
    wise up jet....it was done in private so that the american public wouldn't see them together. mccain tried to do it under the radar...too bad.

    jealousy? obama couldn't care less about the 3.5....obama was just drawing attention to john w. mcsame.

    why not? if it works, use it!

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    ^ Yep, just like bambam used his private fundraisers. Remember the private San Francisco fundraiser and the "bitter" remarks? Get a grip.

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    you've missed the point.....again.

    obama doesn't care about the 3.5 or that the fund raiser was private....it's all about tying mccain to bush.

    mission accomplished...and i'm sure he appreciates your help!

    keep up the good work!

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    McCain has done a good job of tying himself to the success of the 'surge' in Iraq, including statements by the DOI (Director of CIA today). And, at the same time, he's done a good job of characterizing Obama as a fluffy inexperienced smooth talking candidate without a plan, who condemned the surge, and who has failed to go to Iraq to determine the current situation. And, because of this pressure, now Obama will go to Iraq, though not with McCain. Obama realizes he'll be overshadowed by McCain in any direct comparison. Obama will organize his own trip to Iraq and try to make himself look like he is in the know, though I can't figure out what strategy he'll employ to do that.

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    I am sure Chinthee would agree with this, pity he's left...

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    HeHeHe.. McCain will still lose, but not by as much as first thought. The further scandal that erupted today about the nutcase catholic priest who sounds like a black panther and other factors will keep this a close race.


    I'll only be on once a week, but will give you all the benefit of my wisdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FayeQuarry View Post
    Obama will organize his own trip to Iraq and try to make himself look like he is in the know, though I can't figure out what strategy he'll employ to do that.

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    Just as I would expect a winner to do, Obama is consolidating the Demo party around him. Good move and expected move by a leader.

    They're all moving to his HQ for the big push.

    He's doing what a winner of a proxy fight does. He's forming his own legacy and number one position in the party right now, right here. This is political M&A, with the winner calling the shots.

    But the key aides will be working side by side in the sprawling cubicles in Chicago, effectively part of the same organization, a move that many Democrats praised as a welcome departure from the party’s balkanized tradition. One former DNC chairman, Steve Grossman, however, expressed concern that the demand that staffers leave their families behind in Washington to head to the center of power in Chicago – a common situation for Obama aides – would drive away some DNC staff.
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    And.., what's with appointing the obscure daughter of an icon, a legend to Obama's VP selection team? What the hell, and who the hell does she really know?

    Caroline Kennedy.

    BOSTON - Caroline Kennedy lives a very private life with a very public profile. It's the perfect skill set for her newest assignment.

    As part of Barack Obama's vice presidential search team, Kennedy must function with the utmost secrecy in what is sure to be one of the most closely watched endeavors of this year's presidential campaign.
    Yeah, ok, she's private. She's secretive. But what does she know about high level negotiations with power brokers? She hasn't lived in the trenches with the Washington rats.

    Bad choice. Purely pandering to the masses trying to tie the Obama brand with the Kennedy brand.

    Cheap.

    Caroline Kennedy brings discretion to veep search - Yahoo! News

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    they're never going to vote FOR mccain...but they might vote against obama.
    Oh no we won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEA Traveler
    Oh no we won't.
    just to clarify...

    do you consider yourself part of the republican base?

    are you saying that you're not going to vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FayeQuarry
    And.., what's with appointing the obscure daughter of an icon
    "obscure"? how old are you?

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    How's Barak Carter doing? Guess Jimmy is creaming his depends on a second Carter term, yanks can't afford another one of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by britmaveric
    Barak Carter


    yeah, that'll stick.

    keep trying though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by britmaveric
    yanks can't afford another one of those.
    Can't afford quite a lot these days actually. Hard to see how McCains 'give even more to the rich' camapign promises will improve that situation.

    It's a very valid point you know, given the US debt situation, the USD, US economy and asset price implosion- can America afford another four years of Republican profiglacy?

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    ^Can they afford four years of higher taxes? BO has not done the numbers yet on where he will get the moola to pay for all his social/health programs. Oh ya, pull the troops outta the sand dunes.
    I wonder how he would respond to another attack on the US?

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    The 'higher taxes' proposed for the rich are hardly draconian- even Warren Buffet and Bill Gates say they pay too little tax. Buffet also said that raising the tax on dividend income to 20% would have no meaningful impact on investment. One way or the other, the US government has got to balance it's books, indeed pay down some debt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    the moola to pay for all his social/health programs
    I'm not aware of any, save Healthcare reform- which most US citizens would like to see. If he does start dangling these spending promises left right and centre I will indeed be cynical- but at the moment it seems to be McCain that is being fiscally irresponsible in his campaigning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by britmaveric View Post
    How's Barak Carter doing? Guess Jimmy is creaming his depends on a second Carter term, yanks can't afford another one of those.
    Nice try.

    Were you in America during Carter's term? I was.

    Carter and Obama have NOTHING in common.

    The late 1970s and 2008 have very little in common.

    Please tell us, the similarities in policy - specific policies - that are similar between Carter and Obama.

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    George W. McCain has a more convincing ring to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
    The late 1970s and 2008 have very little in common.

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    I seem to remember gas prices going crazy, the dollar being worth shit, and the Islamofukwit association having their merry way in Tehran.
    I was pretty high at the time so I might be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
    The late 1970s and 2008 have very little in common.

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    I seem to remember gas prices going crazy, the dollar being worth shit, and the Islamofukwit association having their merry way in Tehran.
    I was pretty high at the time so I might be wrong.
    Gas prices went up starting in 1973. That was short-term. Today's price increases will be long-term, IMO. Different.

    Weakening dollar? Many reasons for it today. Different.

    Iran? Reza Shah was overthrown in large part because of the what the USA did. It was an Iranian domestic issue, not international Islamicism like today.

    Different.
    ............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
    Iran? Reza Shah was overthrown in large part because of the what the USA did. It was an Iranian domestic issue, not international Islamicism like today.

    Different.
    The invasion of the sovereign territory of a foreign embassy is hardly a domestic issue. It was and still is an international outrage. Perhaps you haven't noticed but the USA still has not resumed formal diplomatic relations with the Islamic Republic of Iran for that very reason. Their government has been hijacked by fanatics.
    What happened in the late 70's is very similar to the radical stance Iran has now if not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
    Iran? Reza Shah was overthrown in large part because of the what the USA did. It was an Iranian domestic issue, not international Islamicism like today.

    Different.
    The invasion of the sovereign territory of a foreign embassy is hardly a domestic issue. It was and still is an international outrage. Perhaps you haven't noticed but the USA still has not resumed formal diplomatic relations with the Islamic Republic of Iran for that very reason. Their government has been hijacked by fanatics.
    What happened in the late 70's is very similar to the radical stance Iran has now if not the same.
    I see 2 points noted above.

    1. Raiding and embassy is bad. I agree. And...the seeds were sown according to many by the overthrow of Mossadegh (but we'll never be 100% sure). But ther is some linkage there, no doubt about it. Reza Shah was installed by the Americans. Reza Shah sold out his people, IMO.

    2. Yes, the Supreme Countcil in Iran is radical: and this goes back to point number 1.

    One book I recommend is "All the Shah's Men" by Stephen Kinzer.

    There is a bibliography of which to futher delve from additional sources.

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