Thread: US Presidential Campaign 2008

Doubtful most of the Hillary supporters dont want Osama, even if Hillderbeast is on the ticket as VP. Osama has a major problem.

According to the Polls, he has the advantage. But it's close enough to be no preordained conclusion.

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Obama has a major problem.

what's that?

that he isn't a 70 year old cancer patient who is running for GWB's third term?

Atta, you're going to hurt some people's feelings here. Can you be a little more gentle?

TD can't handle such honesty.

^ The ripest time for taking shots at Bill is getting down to moments. I'm sure Bill will pop up on the scene in the future, but now is ripe.

Originally Posted by raycarey

a black man has a real chance of being president. as far as i know, this has never happened in any other western (ie white) nation...but it happened in america....and i hope that citizens of the UK, australia, canada, ireland and NZ will follow america's lead and seriously consider non-whites for the highest political office.

Dream on. It would be wonderful if there was no racism, but it has not gone away. Won't happen.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

She is in the Senate, not congress.

poor jet.....your woeful ignorance of american politics is on display again.

there are two chambers in congress....the house of representatives and the senate.

Yes, I know that, dear ray. But she is a senator not a congresswoman. You've been missing from the board lately; the tefl masters barring your internet access?

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Dream on. It would be wonderful if there was no racism, but it has not gone away. Won't happen.

once all the caustic, dessicated spinsters have finally kicked the bucket there's a much better chance of society moving forward.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Yes, I know that, dear ray. But she is a senator not a congresswoman.

so if you know it, why did you post what you posted? eh jet?
here's some free, unsolicited advice...once again you've been caught displaying your ignorance of american politics....don't exacerbate the situation with you usual, misguided obstinacy.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

You've been missing from the board lately;

what's this? on top of everything else, you're a masochist?

the wicked witch is NEARLY dead. let's dance!

something to consider regarding her chances for VP....

every possible VP (and his/her spouse) will undergo an exhaustive vetting process before getting the nod.

there's no way bill clinton is going to allow that...the conventional wisdom is that the donor list to his library is full of problems.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Atta, you're going to hurt some people's feelings here. Can you be a little more gentle? TD can't handle such honesty.

It's only a few individuals whose 'feelings' for their nation and heros frequently get hurt, isn't it, Tex?

She will throw in the tampon Saturday

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Originally Posted by raycarey

Who will be both candidates' VP?

It would be interesting if the Democrat Obama chooses Chuck Hagel (R-Nebraska) and the Republican McCain chooses Joseph Lieberman (D-Israel), with each vice presidential candidate being from the opposing party. It's not as far fetched as it seems, since both candidates are looking to bring in that huge pool of disaffected independent voters. Except for his anti-war and pro-privacy positions, the war hero Hagel is a younger, smarter and more charismatic version of McCain. Based on that psychology alone, Hagel would be a great choice for Obama.

Originally Posted by floorpotato

Joseph Lieberman

That man is a disgrace, should be shot

Obama still has his work cut out for himself trying to attract the Hilary dem voters, the blue collar whites, older whites, those with less education, and hispanics.

I tend to think his VP choice would have to focus on this first, rather than the independents. But, he would be a fool to pick Hilary and let her and Bill rum amok in the White house with their all night pizza parties with all their friends, etc..

Kennedy did pick Johnson for VP, in spite of his hatred for the man, but he severely limited his influence. I don't see how Obama could contain the Clinton duo.

So, Obama will have to find someone who can bring in the Hilary voters. And, it will most assuredly NOT be a woman, as any woman choice would be instantly loudly protested by the Hilary supporters as to why he didn't pick her.

This VP process will in a long haul. I don't expect any pick until the Demo convention.

Originally Posted by raycarey

every possible VP (and his/her spouse) will undergo an exhaustive vetting process before getting the nod. there's no way bill clinton is going to allow that...the conventional wisdom is that the donor list to his library is full of problems.

huge point, raymond. it'll never happen and it will be hc/bc who will stop the process assuming obama plays his cards well and i think he will.

Originally Posted by FayeQuarry

So, Obama will have to find someone who can bring in the Hilary voters. And, it will most assuredly NOT be a woman, as any woman choice would be instantly loudly protested by the Hilary supporters as to why he didn't pick her.

Can he technically take Bill Clinton as VP ?

^Wouldn't that be a hoot! He can pick you if he wants. Point is, the Clinton era is over, and he will put it to bed hopefully. Though he will probably have to give her a cabinet position or something. My guess is he will make a deal to give her Secretary of Health and let her run the health care reform, which is her pet project. She may consider herself too high and mighty for that though.

^ and ^^,

Yes, technically, Bill Clinton could be the VP, but it won't be the case.

Q:
Could former President Bill Clinton be vice president?

A:
Probably not, but it's an untested constitutional conundrum.

The original Constitution had no requirements for the office of vice president. However, the 12th Amendment, ratified in 1804, said that, "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

So that would mean that a vice president would have to meet the requirements to be president laid out in Article II of the Constitution. Principally, the person would have to be born in the United States, be at least 35 years of age and have been a resident of this country for the preceding 14 years. So far, so good. Maybe a former president, like Bill Clinton, could serve as vice president.

However, the 22nd Amendment, ratified in 1951, said:

22nd Amendment: No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once.

So this sets up the conundrum. The 22nd Amendment says that Clinton can clearly not "be elected" to the presidency. And the 12th Amendment says that no one can become vice president if they are "ineligible to the office of the presidency."

Clinton has been elected to the presidency twice. So he can no longer be "elected" to the presidency, according to the language of the 22nd Amendment. Does that mean he is "constitutionally ineligible" to serve as president, to use the language of the 12th Amendment? If so, he could not serve as vice president. But finding out would certainly make for an interesting Supreme Court case.

FactCheck.org: Could former President Bill Clinton be vice president?



but of course obama would never choose him....perhaps in a second term he could be sec. of state or ambassador to the UN, but that's it.

^ Nah. Clinton has too much baggage. Leave him loose on the monied lecture circuit.
I still like Bill Richardson, he won't steal Obama's limelight and he has great experience. But, McCain will win anyway, so why bother speculating about BO's veep. Nobody in America wants a government-run economy.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Nah. Clinton has too much baggage. Leave him loose on the monied lecture circuit.
I still like Bill Richardson, he won't steal Obama's limelight and he has great experience. But, McCain will win anyway, so why bother speculating about BO's veep. Nobody in America wants a government-run economy.

We don't know if McCain will win or not at this point. The polling data is too close, and the election is too far away. 5 months is a long time in Presidential election politics.

As for goverment-run economy - it already is.

Entitlements are just over 50% of the budget and this will increase as 78 million baby boomers are now hitting SS as of January 1, 2008.

^ Disagree, MM. America has and is unlikely to ever be a gov-run economy. Of course, businesses are what make the country and their taxes pay for social services. The gov does not generate its own revenue -- its funds come from taxes and borrowings from Treasuries.