Thread: Reincarnation, Creation And Evolution

^ Maybe another universe before ours.

There is no 'god'.

The End

^ Oh. Um, did Dirty Dog die then?

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Maybe another universe before ours.

Very possibly, though, we will never know, as time and space are joined.

Before anyone asks "How do we know how old the universe is" and " how do we know it started at a single point", it can be shown with very simple physics.

It doesn't matter at which star we look at in the sky, they all show a 'red shift', the Doppler effect. In other words, each star is moving away from us. In fact, each star is moving away from every other star. That is how we know that the universe is an expanding one. We also know, that for this to happen, all matter must have started in the same place.

If what was observed was no Doppler shift, a static universe, then, yes, the universe could have been around forever.

That's the wonderful thing about science. There is evidence and evidence can be demonstrated. If another theory explains a phenomenon better, the old theories are abandoned.

Religion can't exist without Faith, and Faith is just another way for saying "believe without evidence and don't question".

Science is as unreliable as religion actually, and Science is a new religion in itself, can see examples in this thread by the quick unsubstantiated attacks in the name of science,

it's all about beliefs at the end, and our empirical experience with the world, some see it as a sign of god, some try to explain it through science with or without success.

Science is definitely not the answer to everything, as we are more than cells or flesh, we can actually project ourselves beyond those limits through our intelligence, creating "innovations", and "ideas" and all kind of "unnatural" things or "unanimal" things. We are as much a religious animal as we are a science animal. You can't ignore both.

We are creators ourselves, and above us they are also other creators, who are they ? no ideas, but they are beyond our comprehensions as much as a science theory could understand where it's coming from. You can only create what you are not.

Heh heh, I just watched A Preacher's one little green blob turn red.

The OP is just another dumb troll - but TD's quota is already filled.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Science is as unreliable as religion actually, and Science is a new religion in itself, can see examples in this thread by the quick unsubstantiated attacks in the name of science,

it's all about beliefs at the end, and our empirical experience with the world, some see it as a sign of god, some try to explain it through science with or without success.

Science is definitely not the answer to everything, as we are more than cells or flesh, we can actually project ourselves beyond those limits through our intelligence, creating "innovations", and "ideas" and all kind of "unnatural" things or "unanimal" things. We are as much a religious animal as we are a science animal. You can't ignore both.

We are creators ourselves, and above us they are also other creators, who are they ? no ideas, but they are beyond our comprehensions as much as a science theory could understand where it's coming from. You can only create what you are not.

Utter bollox. Just arty-farty hot-air. Where's your proof?

Originally Posted by benbaaa

Heh heh, I just watched A Preacher's one little green blob turn red.

That's impressive after two posts

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Maybe another universe before ours.

Research into the phenomenon of Black Holes indicates that this might well be so.

But some things are just beyond our understanding as the concepts of time and space as we know it don't apply any more.
Religions provide a description of the beginning of the universe, often in form of allegories and imagery, some of it surprisingly fitting with present scientific understanding - like some Hindu and Buddhist texts.

Originally Posted by benbaaa

The OP is just another dumb troll - but TD's quota is already filled.

Pistonpilot has been reborn?
Does this prove the reincarnation theory?

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Utter bollox. Just arty-farty hot-air. Where's your proof?

where is your proof that it's "arty-farty hot-air" ?

Creationists are people either too lazy or inable to learn the truth. NEVER get into an argument with a creationist. You will end up wanting to thump them, then they will say they won the argument. Infuriating stupidity!!!!!!!

It's easy to see how humans evolved from bony fish and ultimately bacteria from their DNA.

Don't people read the news? Did the mapping of the Human Genome go unnoticed despite being the greatest achievement in Biological Science?

Was Einstein wasting his breath spouting hot air? He in fact was highly religious, and believed the Universe was highly ordered and designed very simply by God so that we would be able to figure it out. When he came up with E=MC squared he thought he was on the right track.

He refused to believe that the Universe was instead chaotic as proved by Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle and the development of Quantum Physics.

It was Quantum Physics that led to the devopment of Computers.

Science doesn't have the answer for everything....yet. But is is also sad that science has effectively killed God and removed any hope anyone had of some kind of salvation from the suffering of the human race.

Science and religion are not mutually exclusive, both have their limitations.

They are different approaches to making sense of nature and beyond.

^Yes, good point. To me, the interesting part is seeing how you can square up the competing science and religion viewpoints, or at least see how you can believe in one at the same time as believing in the other.

I'm not quite sure how scientists do it.

^ Easy. Scientists are intelligent, Religious people can be intelligent as well as incredibly stupid.

I know how I evolved, what my body is made of, how it works and also the reason for my consciousness and self-awareness.

It then became obvious that there was no room for a soul, and hence no God described in any religious faiths.

Now I know that any God is one of my own creation;

1 Consideration for others

2 Not intentionally harming other people or other animals

3 Responsibility for my own actions

4 Everything in moderation

Now, that should be found in any religious text of any faith. So stop preaching religion and start practicing it.

^ Quantum physics and archaeological finds?

Reincarnation:

For Buddhists the key point here is the mind / brain question. If the mind is a formless continuum and is therefore caused by previous moments of mind then reincarnation is a logical conclusion.
If the mind is merely a physical effect of electro chemical activity in the brain then it's a non starter.

Creation:

For Buddhists things are not so much created as caused. All things arise from causes and are causes of things in turn so there can be no beginning and therefore no point of creation. I know scientists who are Christians love to point at Hall fields which are the precursors to the start of a universe. In these it is said that things can arise without causes but I'm not convinced myself maybe that's my faith kicking in.

Evolution:

For a Buddhist the truth or falicy of evolution doesn't effect our faith. It's a nice theory though because we are not creationists.