US Presidential Campaign 2008

**Boon Mee** · 26-04-2008, 02:23 AM

^
With an unrepentant bomber as his friend as well as the Wright POS? Yep, this Obama is a real strong candidate for the White House!

Hugh Hewitt documents the "mainstream Chicago couple" Ayers and Dohrn, and offers compelling audio. His judgment:

“ Barack Obama seems like a very nice guy with a good heart and a wonderful family. He is obviously bright and extremely well spoken. He's a down-the-line leftist with the most left-leaning voting record in the Senate from 2005-2006.

But of even more concern than his ideas is the fact that his judgment about people and ideas is terribly flawed

**Hootad Binky** · 26-04-2008, 02:48 AM

^ Guilt by association, then? Care to apply that criterea to Republicans?

**Boon Mee** · 26-04-2008, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by Hootad Binky

^ Guilt by association, then? Care to apply that criterea to Republicans?

Sure.
Give us an example or two that compare equally?

**sabang** · 26-04-2008, 05:28 AM

Indeed Stroller. It worries some of you, even though you will not come out and elucidate it, but Obama is a class act, and the other contenders are not.

As stated, the fact he is half black is irrelevent. Or should be. And if you are reduced to calling him a 'Commie', it seems to me you have already lost the election.

**raycarey** · 26-04-2008, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

As stated, the fact he is half black is irrelevent.

on the contrary, for some it is the most relevant factor of his candidacy.

**Norton** · 26-04-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

If he is any kind of "communist", he has disguised it so well that it is non-existent.

Clever rascal he is. Slyly disguising his true intentions until elected Pres and then unleashing his commie agenda upon the unsuspecting, ignorant citizens of the nation. Enlightened, true patriots to arms. The end is nigh!!

**chinthee** · 26-04-2008, 11:43 AM

Here's an interesting angle to the race:

Can McCain Win Over Women Voters?

He's perceived as a moderate Republican, his position on abortion has been more flexible than that of President Bush and he's surrounded by powerful women in his family.

John McCain's positions on abortion and equal pay legislation do not seem likely to help him close the gender gap, but he has a chance to win more female voters than George Bush in 2000 and 2004.
(AP/ABC News)

Does Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., have the ability to attract women voters back to the Republican Party -- even if he ends up running against Hillary Clinton, the first female presidential nominee?

Or will the gender gap continue?

Women have been more likely than men to vote for Democratic presidential candidates in every election since 1980.

McCain trails the New York senator and her Democratic rival Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois among female voters in the most recent polls.

And last week, he came under fire from some women's groups for skipping a vote on equal pay legislation supported by Clinton and Obama.

ABC News: Can McCain Win Over Women Voters?

I suppose the democratic party is getting ready to hammer him on this issue. The party is being forced to ratchet up the rhetoric against McCain as the Hilary/Obama battle stretches on too long giving McCain an easy breather.

**Norton** · 26-04-2008, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by chinthee

McCain trails the New York senator and her Democratic rival Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois among female voters in the most recent polls.

Hopeless cause for McCain to spend a penny trying to woo the female vote. Abortion, equal pay issues are the least of his problems. Women far out number men in their objection to the Iraq war. If he has any hope, he must have an overwhelming white, male middle class majority.

**Boon Mee** · 26-04-2008, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Indeed Stroller. It worries some of you, even though you will not come out and elucidate it, but Obama is a class act, and the other contenders are not.

A class act!!!???

What are you smoking down there in OZ, sabang? Obama is an articulate speaker is all. Possibly just a snake-oil salesman.

What has he accomplished in his short life? Went to Africa to visit his commie father, lived for a spell in Indonesia and went to Harvard. Bid deal.

He does have some real suspect 'friends' though, eh?

**sabang** · 26-04-2008, 08:24 PM

Achievements, I can think of quite a few-
Obama graduated summa cum laude from Harvard, and was the first and only black editor of the Harvard law Review.
He then, rather than going strait for the big money available, took a job in a public service role, helping the poor.
He was elected to the Senate at a young age. Now he's running for Pres.

So, Erm, whats that pleasant old chap McCain achieved?

Dunno what you're smoking booner, but I live in Thailand, & haven't been in Oz for over two years.

**Boon Mee** · 26-04-2008, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

So, Erm, whats that pleasant old chap McCain achieved?

Dunno what you're smoking booner, but I live in Thailand, & haven't been in Oz for over two years.

My mistake sabang, thought you were in OZ not that it matters but that pleasant old chap, McCain, has achieved a bit more - shall we say experience than this wet-behind-the-ears arrogant, elitist Obama...

**chinthee** · 26-04-2008, 08:53 PM

^Booners, I like you, but really you need to tone down the rhetoric. Even Bill O'Reilly is praising Obama's educational background and distancing himself from the reverand scandal crap.

**Boon Mee** · 26-04-2008, 09:22 PM

^
It's not rhetoric CT but plain, simple facts. In the words of Thomas Sowell:

"Obama is part of a long tradition on the left of being for the working class in the abstract, or as people potentially useful for the purposes of the left, but having disdain or contempt for them as human beings. Karl Marx said, ‘The working class is revolutionary or it is nothing.’ In other words, they mattered only in so far as they were willing to carry out the Marxist agenda. Fabian socialist George Bernard Shaw included the working class among the ‘detestable’ people who ‘have no right to live.’ He added: ‘I should despair if I did not know that they will all die presently, and that there is no need on earth why they should be replaced by people like themselves’.” -- Thomas Sowell.

The Digest, Patriot Post Vol. 08 No. 17 - Published 25 April 2008

Obama has demonstrated his contempt for the working-class and those who "cling to their Religion". He's dead-meat to them now - to wit; 75% of Catholics who voted in the Pennsylvania primary voted for Hillary.

**stroller** · 26-04-2008, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

With an unrepentant bomber as his friend

Yawn, is this non-issue still branded about on extremist blogs?

Fact Check: Obama’s Relationship with William Ayers - America’s Election HQ

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

What has he accomplished in his short life?

THESE ARE BARACK'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE U.S. SENATE TO DATE:

** First legislation, the HOPE Act, which increased Pell Grants to $5100, and later joined Senator Kennedy on the Higher Education legislation that passed July 20, by a vote of 78-18. That legislation also included funding for Predominantly Black Colleges to assist with counseling, tutoring and other needs of low income students. It also creates the Teaching Residency Act which will create a school-based teacher preparation program in high needs schools to provide each teacher with a mentor, content instruction, classroom management skills, a master’s degree and state certification, and a 2 year follow-up program.

**The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006
is an act that requires the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds beginning in fiscal year (FY) 2007 on a website maintained by the Office of Management and Budget.
Federal Funding Accountabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...

**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act
Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.
Signed into Law on January 11, 2007.

**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill
Senate Moves on Ethics Bill...
Common Cause Blog :: Bush Signs Ethics Bill

** The “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act.
S. 2125 [109th]: Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act of 2006 (GovTrack.us)

** S116 - Summer Learning demonstration project to provide summer learning grants and encourage new teaching methods.
http://www.pasesetter.org/demonstrationPrograms/nasd.ht...

Obama's Global Poverty Act of 2007, passed out of committee just a few days ago
WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), and Maria Cantwell (D-WA) and Congressman Adam Smith (D-WA) today hailed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's passage of the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), which requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive policy to cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief, and coordination with the international community, businesses and NGOs. This legislation was introduced in December. Smith and Congressman Spencer Bachus (R-AL) sponsored the House version of the bill (H.R. 1302), which passed the House last September.
Barack Obama - U.S. Senator for Illinois /

Amendments, that have all passed:

S.Amdt.159 to S.Con.Res.18 - To prevent and, if necessary, respond to an international outbreak of the avian flu.

S.Amdt.390 to H.R.1268 - To provide meal and telephone benefits for members of the Armed Forces who are recuperating from injuries incurred on active duty in Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom.

S.Amdt.670 to H.R.3 - To provide for Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV) refueling capability at new and existing refueling station facilities to promote energy security and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

S.Amdt.808 to H.R.6 - To establish a program to develop Fischer-Tropsch transportation fuels from Illinois basin coal.

S.Amdt.851 to H.R.6 - To require the Secretary to establish a Joint Flexible Fuel/Hybrid Vehicle Commercialization Initiative, and for other purposes.

S.Amdt.1362 to S.1042 - To require a report on the Department of Defense Composite Health Care System II.

S.Amdt.1453 to S.1402 - To ensure the protection of military and civilian personnel in the Department of Defense from an influenza pandemic, including an avian influenza pandemic.

S.Amdt.2301 to H.R.3010 - To increase funds to the Thurgood Marshall Legal Educational Opportunity Program and to the Office of Special Education Programs of the Department of Education for the purposes of expanding positive behavioral interventions and supports.

S.Amdt.2605 to S.2020 - Expressing the sense of the Senate that the Federal Emergency Management Agency should immediately address issues relating to no-bid contracting.

S.Amdt.2930 to S.2349 - To clarify that availability of legislation does not include nonbusiness days.
S.Amdt.3144 to S.Con.Res.83 - To provide a $40 million increase in FY 2007 for the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program and to improve job services for hard-to-place veterans

S. Amdt 41 to S. 1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.

(compiled and sourced by "TechieMike")

**chinthee** · 26-04-2008, 09:54 PM

Democrats favored in electoral map

By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The electoral road to the White House favors Democrats this fall — either Barack Obama or Hillary Rodham Clinton — and has Republican John McCain playing defense to thwart a presidential power shift.

A downtrodden economy, the war in Iraq and a public call for change have created an Electoral College outlook and a political environment filled with extraordinary opportunity for the Democrats and enormous challenge for the GOP nominee-in-waiting.

Democrats favored in electoral map - Yahoo! News

**Boon Mee** · 26-04-2008, 11:27 PM

Well, back to Obama's character...or lack of one which is going to prove to be the deciding factor in the race. This guy came out of nowhere with an autobiography already written Then "came the three amigos: Tony Rezko, the indicted fixer; Jeremiah Wright, the racist reverend; William Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist."

Sure doesn't look 'presidential' to the casual observer. These are not "non-issues" my friends. This guy is a wrong-O for sure.

Check out: Townhall.com::The "Distractions" Of Obama's Character::By Charles Krauthammer

There's going to be a ground-swell reaction to these character flaws outlined and rest to come, I'm sure.

**stroller** · 27-04-2008, 12:11 AM

Ah, ok.
Your questions have been answered and your false statements repeatedly debunked, but never mind, lets cook it all up again and present it from a different angle. "Character flaws", right.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Sure doesn't look 'presidential' to the frequent blog-subscriber.

Sure doesn't.

**Jet Gorgon** · 27-04-2008, 06:13 AM

As I keep thinking, Obama is pushing the racial issue and it's going to foment anger on both sides.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obama is an articulate speaker is all. Possibly just a snake-oil salesman.

This is a big possibility. I'd have bought a Kirby from him if he sold door-to-door.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Stroller

What has he accomplished in his short life?

THESE ARE BARACK'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE U.S. SENATE TO DATE:

** First legislation, the HOPE Act, which...also included funding for Predominantly Black Colleges to assist with counseling, tutoring and other needs of low income students.

**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act
Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons.

** The “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act.

Why distinguish the black lower-class when there are white and hispanic and whatever lower classes also struggling? Congo relief? How about Asian countries?
Conventional weapons? How bought nuclear weapons?

**raycarey** · 27-04-2008, 09:58 AM