Thread: Obama's Pastor: Rev. Jeremiah Wright

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Interesting that Stroller and Rayc have not added any comments or info here except to slag off other posters' opinions. Are they the high moral mod team? 555

Been questioning someone's assertions, and they could not provide any facts to back them up.
Added quite a few other comments before Ms. Jet.

And what have you added apart from slagging both Wright and Obama off?
Oh yeah, having a go at ray and myself...

And what exactly is wrong with preaching that "us blacks have to take a stand"?
Good luck to them, they'll need it judging by the comments in this thread.

^ Our opinions, Stroll. That's what an issues forum is all about. Your debate tactics are pretty slummy, "cherry picking" as the politicos call it. You have not added any opinions or linky refs that I have seen, except personal slag offs of other posters. I have opinions on Wright and Obama, of course. Why don't you debate the bases of my opinions instead of bashing me personally? Need more info on the issues? I can give you links. You should also read the articles published by the black and latino press in the US. I have.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Our opinions, Stroll. That's what an issues forum is all about.

Yes, and...? I may not question anything someone asserts to be true?
Seems to me sometimes people derive 'facts' from their opinion, not the other way round. The so-called 'facts' sometimes present a simplified extract of half-truths and assumptions.
I query those.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

You have not added any opinions or linky refs that I have seen

It's not my fault you haven't read my opinions. As for linky refs, there are plenty of informative ones already in this thread, and I usually add my own thoughts rather than quoting from blogs or opinion pieces, if that's alright with you.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Why don't you debate the bases of my opinions instead of bashing me personally?

I have been questioning the basis of your opinions, but the responses have been personal attacks and ridicule.

Ok, never mind, so let me repeat:

Originally Posted by stroller

And what exactly is wrong with preaching that "us blacks have to take a stand"?

Seems innocuous enough to me in the context of a black pastor addressing his black community.

Originally Posted by Lambik

" The father leads, the wife submits to that lead."

The way it works...outside what's become a Matriarchy in the West...


btw, ray - I put overseas in quotes as you never answered Tits whether or not you're back in the states.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The way it works...

It's called "patriarchy" and has been questioned in its validity in the West - rightly so.

Hear hear, it is "nature" - goodness, I thought that lame argument had been debunked enough times already.

Originally Posted by stroller

Hear hear, it is "nature" - goodness, I thought that lame argument had been debunked enough times already.

By whom pray tell?

There's a long list of feminists and sociologists.

Try here:

Patriarchy literally is ‘rule by the father’ but more generally it refers to a social situation where men are dominant over women in wealth, status and power.
Patriarchy is associated with a set of ideas, a ‘patriarchal ideology’ that acts to explain and justify this dominance and attributes it to inherent natural differences between men and women.
Sociologists tend to see patriarchy as a social product and not as an outcome of innate differences between the sexes and they focus attention on the way that gender roles in a society affect power differentials between men and women.

PATRIARCHY

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

btw, ray - I put overseas in quotes as you never answered Tits whether or not you're back in the states.

i just got a dopey red from bobby telling how the weather was in thailand!

chinthee seems to enjoy checking IP addresses of the posters, so why don't you ask him...although i'm not sure why that would be of interest to either you or bobby. you see boys, i don't care in the slightest where you are.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

btw, ray - I put overseas in quotes as you never answered Tits whether or not you're back in the states.

i just got a dopey red from bobby telling how the weather was in thailand!

chinthee seems to enjoy checking IP addresses of the posters, so why don't you ask him...although i'm not sure why that would be of interest to either you or bobby. you see boys, i don't care in the slightest where you are.

Nor I you...

Originally Posted by raycarey

i just got a dopey red from bobby telling how the weather was in thailand!

I thought it was a bit classier than your's

Obama's Pastor: Rev.... 22-03-2008 11:25 AM raycarey racist

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Interesting that Stroller and Rayc have not added any comments or info here except to slag off other posters' opinions.

interesting that this is what you percieve. i know that i have made several comments on this thread that have nothing to do with the opinons of other posters.

and furthermore, this is a 'discussion' forum in which people will respond to the posts and opinions of others....if you don't like people taking a hard look at your opinons and posting a reply, maybe you should consider starting a blog.

menopausal_old_maid.blogspot.com perhaps?

Ok, this linky ref exposes the hypocrisy of Pastor Wright's critics:

Obama's Minister Committed "Treason" But When My Father Said the Same Thing He Was a Republican Hero

When Senator Obama's preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father -- Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer -- denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.

Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, "under the judgment of God." They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama's minister's shouted "controversial" comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton.
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Frank Schaeffer: Obama's Minister Committed "Treason" But When My Father Said the Same Thing He Was a Republican Hero - Politics on The Huffington Post

^ 555 That's another good dem donkey twist.

Yeah, it's a good article, points right at the double standards of certain Christian Republicans and their apologists.

If I was down and out in Chicago, I wonder if Trinity Chruch would help my little white soul.
I do agree that evangelist preachers are muck, especially the TV types. But, I don't have to attend their services, do I? Just knowing Obama attends a fire-and-brimstone church is enough to put people off.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Just knowing Obama attends a fire-and-brimstone church is enough to put people off.

Truer words were never spoke...

^ Just calling a spade a spade, Booners. Oh, oops. I hear the PC police a-coming.

Just got an alert on my radar.

You expressed a personal sentiment - which looks like a reasonable one on the surface, but really is just another way of expressing dislike for the black liberal 'Bambi'.

To call a spade a spade - you don't like Blacks nor Dems, to put it politely, fullstop.

OK jet we get it....you think you're superior to blacks.

Originally Posted by raycarey

OK jet we get it....you think you're superior to blacks.

It is a proven fact that blacks on the whole have much lower IQ's than whites.


The evidence of black intellectual inferiority comes from four sources.

1. TESTING. Blacks have consistently scored lower than Asians and whites in IQ tests for as long as IQ tests have existed. It cannot be cultural bias since Asians have been in the country for less time and are less part of "mainstream culture" than blacks are. Asians who can scarcely speak English score higher than blacks. Also, blacks actually score better on those questions that are more culturally loaded and less pure intelligence loaded! On SATS tests blacks also consistently score lower too.

2. BEHAVIOUR. Blacks do all the things that you associate with low IQ. Crime, unemployment, sexually transmitted diseases, including Aids, illegitimacy, drugs, are all higher amongst blacks, and these are all pathologies that one associates with people who have a low IQ. The low IQ hypothesis "fits in". There are no surprises, there are no anomalies.
Furthermore, their behaviour is pervasive, it is the same all over the world, whether in the USA, Canada, or the UK. Again, just what you would expect from people with a low IQ.

3. HISTORY. Africa was much less developed than the rest of the world when whites and Arabs arrived. Blacks never invented or discovered many of the things taken for granted in the West and the East. Black African countries are worse off now than they were in the days of the British and French colonists. No other part of the world is worse off than it was fifty years ago. This suggests that something intractable is preventing development, not the "legacy of slavery" or the "legacy of colonialism" or the "legacy of apartheid", because these would have been overcome by now, at least somewhere in Africa. On the other hand, low IQ in a nation is indeed intractable in that it will keep a country undeveloped indefinitely and there is no remedy.

4. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. Those of us that meet blacks know that they do not function as effectively as whites in occupational roles. "You never see a black with a blueprint." You seldom, if ever, see a black doing a really demanding job well and efficiently. In earlier times, when people were upfront about race, famous scientists and thinkers agreed that blacks were less intelligent. Hume, Darwin, are typical representatives of this sentiment. (This is not just an IQ issue, there are other deficiencies of temperament that present blacks doing certain jobs.)

It is obvious, let's face it, that blacks are less intelligent. But one can readily understand why blacks themselves will want to deny the obvious, since it casts them in a poor light. There are all sorts of psychological reasons why they should cast around clutching at straws in order to claim that they are as intelligent as whites and Asians. But I really can't understand what drives a white person to try to pretend to believe that blacks are not intellectually inferior. In my experience, most whites are aware now anyway, and if they are not then they are fools.

Originally Posted by stroller

Just got an alert on my radar.

You expressed a personal sentiment - which looks like a reasonable one on the surface, but really is just another way of expressing dislike for the black liberal 'Bambi'.

To call a spade a spade - you don't like Blacks nor Dems, to put it politely, fullstop.

You guys are so easy to wind up. eenie meenie miney mo, catch a xxxxx by the toe. 55555555

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

It is a proven fact that blacks on the whole have much lower IQ's than whites.

...and that makes it "reasonable" to dislike and disparage a black presidential candidate.

Sure, tits, keep digging. You won't need much assistance to bury yourself in the process.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

It is a proven fact that blacks on the whole have much lower IQ's than whites.

...and that makes it "reasonable" to dislike and disparage a black presidential candidate.

Sure, tits, keep digging. You won't need much assistance to bury yourself in the process.

Osama Barak is half white , why do you think he can think ?


You need to spend some time up in the hood Stroller and get a feel of the real Black Experience