Thread: Obama's Pastor: Rev. Jeremiah Wright

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

Obviously written by an apologist.

It's easy to brush the entire article aside with this remark.
Care to comment on what in particular you disagree with and why?

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

Obviously written by an apologist.

It's easy to brush the entire article aside with this remark.
Care to comment on what in particular you disagree with and why?

"Mr. Wright, who seems so militant, angry and threatening. To whites, for example, it has been shocking to hear Mr. Wright suggest that the AIDS virus was released as a deliberate government plot to kill black people.

That may be an absurd view in white circles, but a 1990 survey found that 30 percent of African-Americans believed this was at least plausible."



So 30% makes an outrageous statement somewhat ok with this author ?


I still like Obama as a candidate , he seems the least influenced by the typical political agenda.


What I can't stand are double standard's.

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

That may be an absurd view in white circles, but a 1990 survey found that 30 percent of African-Americans believed this was at least plausible."

The point is, that if 30% of a peer group hold the same belief, it is not as outrageous as it may look like from the outside.

It would be of great concern if Obama shared and publicly expressed this belief, since he acts on a much larger platform and different role than a pastor preaching in the local community.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

That may be an absurd view in white circles, but a 1990 survey found that 30 percent of African-Americans believed this was at least plausible."

The point is, that if 30% of a peer group hold the same belief, it is not as outrageous as it may look like from the outside.

It would be of great concern if Obama shared and publicly expressed this belief, since he acts on a much larger platform and different role than a pastor preaching in the local community.

30% is far from a majority regardless of where they took this poll.

My gripe is the double standard.

In Obama's case it is guilt by association , any other candidate or politician for that matter would be lynched if they were found out to have a relationship with a kook like this pastor.

America is now totally out of whack with political correctness i.e. no Christmas trees in the town square because it might offend somebody type of shit.

Or don't dare criticize the black community because a large portion of them are criminal's or living generation to generation on the doll, don't convict OJ because it will cause a race riot , etc. etc.


It is pandering.

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

30% is far from a majority regardless of where they took this poll.

Noone claims it's a majority opinion, just an, ahem, 'acceptable' one in the Black community to whom Wright was preaching.

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

In Obama's case it is guilt by association , any other candidate or politician for that matter would be lynched if they were found out to have a relationship with a kook like this pastor.

I disagree. How do you know he is "guilty", i.e. shares this belief?
What would happen to other candidates is speculation, but you are more familiar with US habits than I am, obviously.

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

America is now totally out of whack with political correctness i.e. no Christmas trees in the town square because it might offend somebody type of shit.

But you wish to extend this 'political correctness' by blaming Obama for Wright's words? Wouldn't it be better to insist on the same disassociation in other cases where somebody's reputation is attacked by the other side?

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

Or don't dare criticize the black community because a large portion of them are criminal's or living generation to generation on the doll, don't convict OJ because it will cause a race riot , etc. etc.

Yet you don't hesitate to insult the "black community" with disparaging remarks, as you have just done?

Noone claims it's a majority opinion, just an, ahem, 'acceptable' one in the Black community to whom Wright was preaching.

And basically racist bullshit.

I disagree. How do you know he is "guilty", i.e. shares this belief?
What would happen to other candidates is speculation, but you are more familiar with US habits than I am, obviously.

If Obama were white and had verified close relationship with someone like Rev. Wright their political career would be over. Obama is getting a pass.

But you wish to extend this 'political correctness' by blaming Obama for Wright's words? Wouldn't it be better to insist on the same disassociation in other cases where somebody's reputation is attacked by the other side?

The pandering and double standard is my gripe about it.

Yet you don't hesitate to insult the "black community" with disparaging remarks, as you have just done?

I am pointing out facts , not politically correct to do so.

But not insulting either.

Rev. Wright, in spite of some of his loonie views, has done a lot of good work in the Afro American community. Is he Racist? Well possibly- although according to whites that have been there the congregation is welcoming to people of all colour. I'm not going to defend his loonie positions on AIDS and stuff- it kills plenty of whites too. Just take him as he is- Richard Nixon was a famous racist too, but we can credit him with diplomatically opening up China.

Obama is not his Pastor, and neither does he agree with a number of his views, as he made obvious. I think theres only so much political mileage out of this whole thing- there will obviously be the staunch Republican element, and the white racist element that will never stop harping on about it, but I just don't see how a majority of the US electorate are going to be spooked about it long term. Obama is no idiot, whatever your views of his politics- he can obviously think for himself.

Originally Posted by sabang

the white racist element that will never stop harping on about it,

It is not only White racist's that have a problem with it.

I think many non racist but realist White's are not tickled pink about his close relationship with Rev Wright.

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

If Obama were white and had verified close relationship with someone like Rev. Wright their political career would be over.

you mean like bush and falwell? or bush and robertson? or bush giving a speech at bob jones university? or mccain and whatever the name of the religious wingnut he's traipsing around with?

^
When did Falwell make racist statements like this POS Wright?

Lame...

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

but realist White's

is this the code 'du jour'?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

When did Falwell make racist statements like this POS Wright? Lame...

he blamed the 9/11 attacks on gays and feminists.
that is lame.
CNN.com - Falwell apologizes to gays, feminists, lesbians - September 14, 2001

btw, it's clear you're still smarting because i called your pathetic joke 'lame'.

Falwell had a few groups of people to blame for 9/11.

After the September 11, 2001 attacks, Falwell said on The 700 Club, "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'" Fellow evangelist Pat Robertson concurred with his sentiment. After heavy criticism, Falwell apologized,[26] though he later said that he stood by his statement, stating "If we decide to change all the rules on which this Judeo-Christian nation was built, we cannot expect the Lord to put his shield of protection around us as he has in the past."

(Wiki quote disclaimer)

Jerry Falwell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

When did Falwell make racist statements like this POS Wright? Lame...

he blamed the 9/11 attacks on gays and feminists.
that is lame.
CNN.com - Falwell apologizes to gays, feminists, lesbians - September 14, 2001

btw, it's clear you're still smarting because i called your pathetic joke 'lame'.

Heh...hardly...

^ so you're just going to duck the falwell quote?

well, how about this...i'll give you a few minutes to check the vitriolic blogs so you can copy and paste a response.

it should be obvious to all that the foxnews crowd wants to keep this issue alive for as long as possible. it's divisive and plays nicely into the suspect ideology.

and the last thing they want the country to be focused on is the economy, iraq, or the state of healthcare.

btw, it would be interesting to know if those polls (and they were tracking polls weren't they? ) were taken before or after obama's fantasic speech.

Originally Posted by raycarey

and what about bush giving a speech at bob jones university in 2000....when it STILL banned interracial dating?

wtf is that, if not racist?

Are we talking small potatoes here or what? Big difference between one speech which was probably standard fare stump politics vs. > 20 years of vitrol that Obama's been absorbing - possibly embracing don't you think?

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

but realist White's

is this the code 'du jour'?

There are folks who can perceive what is reality and then there are folks like yourself Ray.

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

Yet you don't hesitate to insult the "black community" with disparaging remarks, as you have just done?

I am pointing out facts , not politically correct to do so.

But not insulting either.

No, you have not stated facts, you've made assertions and insinuations:

"Or don't dare criticize the black community because a large portion of them are criminal's or living generation to generation on the doll, don't convict OJ because it will cause a race riot , etc. etc."

So those criminals and people on the "doll" will come after you if you criticise the black community?
Oh dear...

Originally Posted by raycarey

is this the code 'du jour'?

Don't bring the French into this.

"Freedom Fries", please.

Originally Posted by stroller

So those criminals and people on the "doll" will come after you if you criticise the black community?

You bet your sweet ass they would if you were a white politician.