Thread: Obama's Pastor: Rev. Jeremiah Wright

hey bobby....figure out how to do it yet?

Originally Posted by raycarey

hey bobby....figure out how to do it yet?

Yup.

I also figured out you made statement about Obama's speech that you are unable to back up and you keep whining about it.

But keep voraciously trying to defend his racist little pastor and Obama's inability to disown him.


It makes you look very in touch with reality and basically stupid.

Originally Posted by raycarey

isn't there a rule on this forum about not quoting ann coulter?

there should be.

Why?

'Cause she makes mince-meat outa you liberal-progressives?

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

His analogy of disowning Rev. Wright would be like disowning the black community as a whole as pretty much nailed his coffin closed as far as I am concerned.

Originally Posted by raycarey

But Bobby he wasn't speaking to you.

Originally Posted by raycarey

if you had taken the time to read the speech or watch it on youtube, you'd see that he mentioned the likes of you and how you're nothing but static.

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

quote your reference I provided a link for you.

Originally Posted by raycarey

it's in the link you provided.

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

Back up your statements you coward.

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

Keep ducking the question Ray. I did not see any reference calling anyone static so I am asking you to put your money where your mouth is and prove your false statement - simple as that.

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

just asking you to back up your statement with some proof. Seems you can't.

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

you made statement about Obama's speech that you are unable to back up and you keep whining about it.

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

I do not want you to hold my hand Ray

now, now, now. don't get petualant little boy. i'll hold your hand.....



here's what i posted.

Originally Posted by raycarey

he wants to unify the country, but if you had taken the time to read the speech or watch it on youtube, you'd see that he mentioned the likes of you and how you're nothing but static.

and here's the line from the speech from the link YOU provided bobby....

he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country - a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past.

you see bobby, because of your racist ideology, you and your ilk are "irrevocably bound to a tragic past"-----you are static. you're unable to move forward because of your fear and ignorance.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by raycarey

isn't there a rule on this hatforum about not quoting ann coulter?

there should be.

Why?

'Cause she makes mince-meat outa you liberal-progressives?

No, because she's a partisan satirist who makes your wingnut blogs look reasonable.

It seems some right-wing posters cannot form and express their own opinion, but prefer to copy/paste that of others without comment.
Why should anyone make the effort to rebut it?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

It's a crock and you know it - just look at the Vietnamese in the states. Hear any whining outa them? Take a look at their college entrence exam scores or, any other aspect of their lives in America. This victimization and whining on the part of some Blacks is real old and real tired...

Oh, I didn't know the Vietnamese are decendents of slaves who had been brought into the US?

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

It's a crock and you know it - just look at the Vietnamese in the states. Hear any whining outa them? Take a look at their college entrence exam scores or, any other aspect of their lives in America. This victimization and whining on the part of some Blacks is real old and real tired...

Oh, I didn't know the Vietnamese are decendents of slaves who had been brought into the US?

Valid point but as the saying goes: "Get over it"!

Obama's wife is playing the 'victimization' card to the hilt along with the usual nefarious characters like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton etc. Believe it when Sept/Oct and early November roll around and those tapes of that 'Rev' Wright are trotted out again, the Whites sitting on the fence will no doubt swing to McCain.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

the Whites sitting on the fence will no doubt swing to McCain.

doubtful. but that's also assuming he hasn't had a stroke or fallen of the stage like that other old timer bob dole....

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obama's wife is playing the 'victimization' card to the hilt along with the usual nefarious characters like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton etc. Believe it when Sept/Oct and early November roll around and those tapes of that 'Rev' Wright are trotted out again, the Whites sitting on the fence will no doubt swing to McCain.

I don't know enough about her to comment, but let's put it this way: mistakes are made on both sides, and the resulting animousity and bickering are a sad thing to observe.

"Obama - I smoked Pastor Wright's sermons, but I didn't inhale them." -- Anon

Quoting an invented quote by an unknown author - that's quality, he!

Originally Posted by stroller

Quoting an invented quote by an unknown author - that's quality, he!

It's pretty good tho, you gotta admit!

and here's the line from the speech from the link YOU provided bobby....

he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made;

The context in what it was used neither refers to me or Boon Mee as you stated in your post.

Read the quote again and see if your small brain can figure out who "he" is.

you see bobby, because of your racist ideology, you and your ilk are "irrevocably bound to a tragic past"

The only racist ideology was spewed by Rev Wright as per the OP, but you're just to ignorant to acknowledge that

you are static. you're unable to move forward because of your fear and ignorance.

The only thing in this thread I fear is your ignorance it is so blatantly obvious.

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

The context in what it was used neither refers to me or Boon Mee as you stated in your post.

bobby, bobby, bobby. i'm sure mommy tells you you're special. but do you really think obama was going to mention you by name?

here's what i posted...

Originally Posted by raycarey

you'd see that he mentioned the likes of you

you see bobby, in some ways you and the reverend are the flip side of the same coin....thus, "the likes of you".

try and keep up, because i'm done holding your hand.

stroller

I am afraid I can not tone it down and make it any shorter to fall within your attention span and comprehension level, tits.

Is that the best you can come up with ?

Hopefully it would be, but some White candidates' pastors have come out with equally bizarre stuff without any repercussions.

In this race ? In this time of "Oh So Political Correctness" ?

You're wrong

The guy is getting handed a pass simply because he is black.

But it is not the same - keywords: context, history, power, privilege.
Everyone who attended high-school should be familiar with this subject.

Again more useless babble from you.

Actually, Booners, I disagree with Coulter on expressing the race card issue. No politician has done it in the past decade or so that I know of. I think Obama's speech about race will bring a greater divide -- oh, the blacks have always got the short end of the stick diatribe. BS. OB and his wife did well, no? (I still question how they paid tuition.) Anybody can do well -- it's called get to work, find a way to learn (common sense doesn't come from text books), be determined to find a way. Of course there are bleak patches, but folks who give up NEVER achieve.
OB's speech will alienate the masses further. Anybody who is lazy will think they'll get a free ride. I see pandemonium.

All of this talk about the Rev. Wright seems to have very little to do with the man himself or his accomplishments, which seems to me very patronising.

Here are some facts-

Education: Virginia Union University, 1959-61; Howard University, BA, 1968, MA, 1969; University of Chicago School of Divinity, MA, 1975; United Theological Seminary, DMin, Black Sacred music, 1990.

Military/Wartime Service: U.S. Marine Corps, private first class, 1961-63; U.S. Navy, hospital corpsman third class, 1964-67.

During 1965 and 1966, he was awarded with three Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson.

When Wright joined the staff of Trinity United Church of Christ as senior pastor, the inner city church boasted just 87 active members, most of whom came from the neighborhood surrounding the church.

By 2004 there were over 10,000 members, with people coming from across the metro area. The congregation, which proudly notes its diverse socio-economic mix, dedicated a new 2,700 worship center in 1997.

Trinity has 70 ministry programs, 22 of which target youth. Half of the programs target the community, including adult education, literacy, computer, child care, and education for unemployed or low-income families.

In recognition of his contributions, Wright has been awarded seven honorary doctoral degrees. He has also served on a number of boards and commissions, including serving on the board of trustees for Virginia Union University and Chicago Theological Seminary. He continues to be a highly sought after preacher, teacher, and lecturer.

Jeremiah Wright: Biography and Much More from Answers.com

He's certainly done a lot more with his career than your average suburban Pastor. I don't agree with all that he has said on the pulpit, but his contributions in a social sense vastly outweigh that.

^
He's still a racist of the highest order and a lunatic as well.
Have you seen the tapes?

Lovely to see a majority of my replies have been deleted here.

Who are the moderators on this forum ?

Or is this place becoming another version of Thai Visa ...

At last, I have read something balanced about Jeremiah Wright. From the NY Times, Nicholas Kristof-

"The outrage over sermons by Mr. Wright demonstrates how desperately we as a nation need the dialogue about race that Mr. Obama tried to start with his speech on Tuesday.

Many well-meaning Americans perceive Mr. Wright as fundamentally a hate-monger who preaches antagonism toward whites. But those who know his church say that is an unrecognizable caricature: He is a complex figure and sometimes a reckless speaker, but one of his central messages is not anti-white hostility but black self-reliance.

“The big thing for Wright is hope,” said Martin Marty, one of America’s foremost theologians, who has known the Rev. Wright for 35 years and attended many of his services. “You hear ‘hope, hope, hope.’ Lots of ordinary people are there, and they’re there not to blast the whites. They’re there to get hope.”

Professor Marty said that as a white person, he sticks out in the largely black congregation but is always greeted with warmth and hospitality. “It’s not anti-white,” he said. “I don’t know anybody who’s white who walks out of there not feeling affirmed.”

Mr. Wright has indeed made some outrageous statements. But he should be judged as well by his actions — including a vigorous effort to address poverty, ill health, injustice and AIDS in his ministry. Mr. Wright has been frightfully wrong on many topics, but he was right on poverty, civil rights and compassion for AIDS victims.

What should draw much more scrutiny in this campaign than any pastor’s sermons is the candidates’ positions on education, health care and poverty — and their ability to put those policies in place. Cutting off health care benefits for low-income children strikes me as much more offensive than any inflammatory sermon.
Many white Americans seem concerned that Mr. Obama, who seems so reasonable, should enjoy the company of Mr. Wright, who seems so militant, angry and threatening. To whites, for example, it has been shocking to hear Mr. Wright suggest that the AIDS virus was released as a deliberate government plot to kill black people.

That may be an absurd view in white circles, but a 1990 survey found that 30 percent of African-Americans believed this was at least plausible.

... All of this demonstrates that a national dialogue on race is painful, awkward and essential. And that dialogue needs to focus not on clips from old sermons by Mr. Wright but on far more urgent challenges — for example, that about half of black males do not graduate from high school with their class."

Full article- Obama and Race - New York Times

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

Lovely to see a majority of my replies have been deleted here.

If you read the issues posting rules, you'd find moderating is rather lenient here.

Originally Posted by sabang

... All of this demonstrates that a national dialogue on race is painful, awkward and essential. And that dialogue needs to focus not on clips from old sermons by Mr. Wright but on far more urgent challenges — for example, that about half of black males do not graduate from high school with their class.

This also is my expression, it is sad to observe the animousity and lack of generousity in the race-related dialogues.

Originally Posted by sabang

At last, I have read something balanced about Jeremiah Wright. From the NY Times, Nicholas Kristof-

"The outrage over sermons by Mr. Wright demonstrates how desperately we as a nation need the dialogue about race that Mr. Obama tried to start with his speech on Tuesday.

Many well-meaning Americans perceive Mr. Wright as fundamentally a hate-monger who preaches antagonism toward whites. But those who know his church say that is an unrecognizable caricature: He is a complex figure and sometimes a reckless speaker, but one of his central messages is not anti-white hostility but black self-reliance.

“The big thing for Wright is hope,” said Martin Marty, one of America’s foremost theologians, who has known the Rev. Wright for 35 years and attended many of his services. “You hear ‘hope, hope, hope.’ Lots of ordinary people are there, and they’re there not to blast the whites. They’re there to get hope.”

Professor Marty said that as a white person, he sticks out in the largely black congregation but is always greeted with warmth and hospitality. “It’s not anti-white,” he said. “I don’t know anybody who’s white who walks out of there not feeling affirmed.”

Mr. Wright has indeed made some outrageous statements. But he should be judged as well by his actions — including a vigorous effort to address poverty, ill health, injustice and AIDS in his ministry. Mr. Wright has been frightfully wrong on many topics, but he was right on poverty, civil rights and compassion for AIDS victims.

What should draw much more scrutiny in this campaign than any pastor’s sermons is the candidates’ positions on education, health care and poverty — and their ability to put those policies in place. Cutting off health care benefits for low-income children strikes me as much more offensive than any inflammatory sermon.
Many white Americans seem concerned that Mr. Obama, who seems so reasonable, should enjoy the company of Mr. Wright, who seems so militant, angry and threatening. To whites, for example, it has been shocking to hear Mr. Wright suggest that the AIDS virus was released as a deliberate government plot to kill black people.

That may be an absurd view in white circles, but a 1990 survey found that 30 percent of African-Americans believed this was at least plausible.

... All of this demonstrates that a national dialogue on race is painful, awkward and essential. And that dialogue needs to focus not on clips from old sermons by Mr. Wright but on far more urgent challenges — for example, that about half of black males do not graduate from high school with their class."

Full article- Obama and Race - New York Times

Obviously written by an apologist.

Obama is a great orator but of little known substance and a bit of dirt like this does not help him one bit.