Thread: Playing With Guns Is Good For Boys

The anti gunners got Bush elected president in 00. The U.S.A. would not be in the mess its in now if that had not happend. How this issue gets handeled this time around will be interesting. Not even the most liberal Dems are talking gun control. And there has been a lot of nutter gun rampages lately.

How many more incidents like this before something's done?

Six dead, three hurt in US shooting: CNN

5:03PM Tuesday March 04, 2008



Firefighters found six bodies and three wounded children at the scene. Photo / Reuters

LOS ANGELES - Six people, including two children, have been killed and three other children wounded in a shooting in Memphis, Tennessee, US authorities have told CNN.

A fire department official told CNN that a unit had responded to an emergency call from a home tonight.

Firefighters found six bodies and the three wounded children at the scene, the official said.

The wounded were a seven-year-old boy, a 10-month-old girl and a 4-year-old whose gender was not immediately known, CNN said.

All three had suffered gunshot wounds and had been rushed to hospital, the report said.

The local Commercial Appeal newspaper said there was no motive at this stage.
"We just don't know the motive or cause of death, but we do have four adults and two children (dead)," Memphis police Lt Jerry Guin told the paper.
"I've been on a scene where there were one or two or three (victims), but I don't remember anything this large."
- AAP

^ Before what can be done?

^Something. Anything.

I don't know, but Thailand has some strict gun control laws, farang can not get a gun permit and a lot of Thai can't either and you do have to have a permit to be legal and it seems like they have trouble with people getting shot, even with heavy control,,

Songkhla - Three men and three women were killed and two other were injured when an angry neighbour opened fire at them while they were drinking and singing late Saturday night, police said.

The shooting took place at about midnight at a small pavilion inside the house of the victims in Songkhla's Hat Yai district.

Five of them died at the scene after being shot at their neck or head. Another died at the Raj Yindee Hospital.

The Nation
nationmultimedia.com

Maybe some Pro Bono here for a good kiwi lawyer to force compliance of the existing laws..

IMHO

^^ Somthing. Anything. And that would be what? There are lots of rules dealing with U.S. gun ownership now. Including laws that prohibit nutters and felons from possessing a firearm.

Originally Posted by tom

There are lots of rules dealing with U.S. gun ownership now. Including laws that prohibit nutters and felons from possessing a firearm.

Yeah, and how are those working out?

^ They dont. Will more laws work? I doubt it. So whats the something, anything, that America needs to deal with this sad problem?

Originally Posted by tom

So whats the something, anything, that America needs to deal with this sad problem?

I don't know, a ban maybe? I just know that it's pretty clear that the status quo is less than desirable.

I don't know TOM, but seems that the USA ain't so bad, but just seems some like to think it is because they can't figure a way to get there and stay.
Don't really see the difference if you shot or killed in some other way,, dead is still dead..

Britain, Australia top U.S.<br> in violent crime
Britain, Australia top U.S.
in violent crime
Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures
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By Jon Dougherty
&#169; 2008 WorldNetDaily.com


Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain -- has much higher levels of crime.
The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.
Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.
The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.
Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that "levels of victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most categories of crime."

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by tom

So whats the something, anything, that America needs to deal with this sad problem?

I don't know, a ban maybe? I just know that it's pretty clear that the status quo is less than desirable.

That's it!

Ban guns outright!!!

Perhaps motor vehicles too, eh? Those kill lots of folks as well...

Motor vehicles aren't designed and built to kill people Booners.

Some children are dead in yet another shooting and you're making the same ridiculous 'points' as ever. You don't always have to be a specious knob you know.

Chew on this,, CDC shit

Statistics and causes

The definitive source for US injury death statistics is the Centers For Disease Control National Center for Injury Prevention & Control website which provides statistics on all deaths by injury, not just gun deaths. To get the number of gun deaths for a year just set the Cause of Injury to Firearm. If you only want to know the number of child gun deaths per year then choose the custom age range and input 0 years ( <1 ) as the lowest age and 17 years as the top age. Be sure to select "No Age-Adjusting Requested" if you are only interested in a particular age group.
Note that the CDC child gun death figures are typically half of the figures that the gun control lobby publishes. The difference is in the definition of a child. The gun control lobby counts young adults that are 18 or 19 years old as children, but they do not count 20 year olds as children. You can choose from one of two possible reasons, depending on your level of cynicism: 1. The standard CDC age groups used to go from 0-19, 20-39, etc and the gun control lobby couldn't figure out how to select a custom age group. 2. Counting 18 and 19 year olds as children doubles the number of so-called child gun deaths, and more child gun deaths means more support for gun control.
In 1999 there were 1776 gun deaths in the 0 through 17 age group and 3385 gun deaths in the 0 through 19 age group. By subtraction we find that there were a whopping 1609 gun deaths in just the 18 through 19 age group. Historically the 18 through 24 age group is the highest crime-committing group. At age 18 part-time drug dealers leave school and become full-time drug dealers. Despite the propaganda from the gun control lobby, criminals in general and drug dealers in particular are the group of so-called children most likely to be shot by their fellow criminals. You can verify this by reading the local gun death news stories in any city newspaper. School shootings are so rare that every one gets national television coverage, but drug dealers are shot so often that they are barely mentioned in their local newspaper.
Older people's gun deaths are most likely to be suicides. Suicides typically make up 56.5&#37; of all gun deaths according to the Bureau Of Justice Statistics. In fact, drugs and suicides account for more than 2 out of every 3 gun deaths in the USA.
The best way to prevent gun deaths is to treat depression and other mental illness, teach children not to sell or use illegal drugs, treat drug addiction, and have police concentrate on enforcing drug laws. However, the gun control lobby says that we should spend billions of dollars on gun registration and gun licensing instead of using the money to treat depression and combat drugs. Click here for some sensible ways to prevent gun violence.
The accidental gun death rate has been falling since 1930 and US accidental gun deaths per year were down to 824 by 1999 according to the CDC. Note that it is extremely easy to prevent accidental gun deaths by following Jeff Cooper's Four Rules Of Gun Safety. Click here for a free downloadable brochure that illustrates the four rules.

You don't need a firearm at home, so don't allow anyone to have one at home.

If you want to shoot at a gun club, then that's cool.

Farmers need shotguns to keep down the fluffy bunny rabbits, then that's cool too.

I don't see why the great brainwashed can't see that.

^ What about the 80 million + firearms that are at home now.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

You don't need a firearm at home, so don't allow anyone to have one at home.

If you want to shoot at a gun club, then that's cool.

I don't see why the great brainwashed can't see that.

That's right - why can't y'all get that, eh?

btw - just who says "you don't need a gun at home" hmmm?
Question begs - what color is the sun on the world you live on?

U.S. Supreme Court Takes Up Gun Rights After 217 Years of Saying Little

The high court tomorrow hears arguments on the District of Columbia's handgun ban in a case that will determine whether the Second Amendment protects the rights of all people or only those affiliated with a National Guard or other state-run militia.

That question, though at the core of the amendment's significance, is one the court has never squarely addressed and hasn't even contemplated in almost 70 years. A ruling against the nation's capital would enshrine a new right and potentially raise election-year questions about other gun laws around the country.

``This may be one of the only cases in our lifetime when the Supreme Court is going to interpret an important provision of the Constitution unencumbered by precedent,'' said Randy Barnett, a constitutional law professor at Georgetown University in Washington.
The District of Columbia's 32-year-old gun ban, perhaps the strictest in the nation, bars most residents from owning handguns and requires that all legal firearms be kept unloaded and either disassembled or under trigger lock. Six city residents challenged the law, saying they want firearms available in their homes for self-defense.

Dozens of Briefs
The dispute is perhaps the most closely watched case of the Supreme Court's 2007-08 term, which runs through June. Outside groups filed 67 briefs, more than two-thirds opposing the Washington law.

Unclear Language
The language of the Second Amendment leaves open many questions about its purpose. Adopted in 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights, the amendment reads in its entirety: ``A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.''

Strict scrutiny would ``disrupt all the state gun control laws,'' said Winkler, who filed a brief backing Washington. ``What we might see is a tidal wave of people coming into court challenging their convictions for various gun crimes.''

U.S. Court Takes Up Gun Rights After 217 Years of Saying Little - Yahoo! News

It does potentially have an impact on the other states. An additional quote from the article:

Strict Scrutiny'

Levy and his colleagues want the court to adopt a ``strict scrutiny'' test allowing gun restrictions only when they would meet a ``compelling'' interest. Levy's group says that approach would leave governments free to prevent convicted felons and mentally ill people from owning guns.

Still, that test would mark a major change, according to Adam Winkler, a constitutional law professor at the University of California at Los Angeles. None of the 42 states that protect gun rights through their own constitutions uses such a demanding test, he said.

Strict scrutiny would ``disrupt all the state gun control laws,'' said Winkler, who filed a brief backing Washington. ``What we might see is a tidal wave of people coming into court challenging their convictions for various gun crimes.''

Originally Posted by chinthee

Levy's group says that approach would leave governments free to prevent convicted felons and mentally ill people from owning guns.

See your point but surely most states do not allow convicted felons gun ownership now do they? Not so sure about mentally ill. Unless someone has been "pronounced" mentally ill how in the world would gun sellers determine their mental state of mind.

I need to look into this more but surely Levy's group cannot be suggesting it would be a bad thing to have laws that prevent mentally disturbed and convicted felons restricted from gun ownership. Even the most radical NRA members wouldn't advocate this.

Criminaks in the Uk has easy access to guns yet leaaglised ownersip is very hard to get.

Fcuk that---I had a smith and wesson 38 and the wife had a 22 russin mad item easlily concealed in her hand bag.
We never had need to us either BUT had the need arisen we could have defended ourselves.
For many people there the need did arise-but they had nothing and so died!

Fuck the law---you have a duty to yourself and family

I knew there was a reason that Franklinstern was on Ignore, but it had been awhile since I had read any of his stupidity, so I open the post here, and now I remembered why he was/is on ignore..

I love you too, you old codger.