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    Quit Your Job - Go To Jail

    I am pretty sure that New York state is an At-will employment state meaning and employee can be fired without notice, and an employee can quit without notice. Nobody was hurt in this. This reminds of the H1-B visa that brings foreigners to the U.S. to work. Companies have the control, and they can definitely abuse it.

    Frank Eltman, Associated Press
    Sunday, January 27, 2008
    Riverhead , N.Y. -- For months, the nurses complained that they were subject to demeaning and unfair working conditions - not what they were promised when they came to America from the Philippines in search of a better life. So they abruptly quit.


    But in doing so, they put more than their careers at risk: Prosecutors hit them with criminal charges for allegedly jeopardizing the lives of terminally ill children they were in charge of watching.


    The 10 nurses and the attorney who advised them were charged with conspiracy and child endangerment in what defense lawyers say is an unprecedented use of criminal law in a labor dispute. If convicted of the misdemeanor offenses, they face up to a year in jail on each of 13 counts, and could lose their nursing licenses and be deported.


    The nurses claim that they were sent to work at facilities they never signed up for, and made to perform tasks they deemed demeaning and below their job descriptions. There were also disputes about scheduling and pay. Sixteen other nurses and one physical therapist also walked off the job at other facilities, but they were not charged because they did not care for terminally ill children.


    The nurses contend they are facing prosecution because influential Democratic officials - Sen. Chuck Schumer and Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota - took interest in the case at the behest of an attorney for Sentosa Health Care, which operates Avalon Gardens.
    Entire: Nurses who quit face criminal charges / They are accused of endangering lives of terminally ill kids
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    ? Caring for terminally ill children is demeaning?
    Emptying bedpans, cleaning up sick and other rather unpleasant tasks are all part of a nurse's job. I would like to hear the details. Surely their US work was better and higher paying than what they got in the Phils?

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    God Damn it jet, You know full well that most do not come to the USA to do manual labor or demeaning work, which is any work, but do come to the land of cream and honey for just that, welfare, free medical and cream and honey.

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    Guess what boys and girls, there are a whole bunch of jobs where it's illegal to QUIT on the spot.

    Prison Guards, Air Traffic Controllers, some policemen, firemen, public safety officials, obviously some health care workers, commercial pilots ...

    and, you'll love this one MM, servicemen of all flavors.

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    ^ hehe. I have one of those as well. My boss is called Jet the Alter Ego -- you quit you die. Didn't Reagan impose that law on air traff staff? Fek, I think our nurses can strike.

    ^^ No, really? Huh. I just read an ad in our classifieds for "instant immigrant housing -- steel construction" (hey, this is Canada, 555). I hear Hootad building up steam to defend the Paki farmers who bring in Mexican and even Peruvian workers to pick blueberries and live in these shanties for about $9 an hour minus housing, transport, etc). Last year, I think the tree huggers were up in arms that these workers got no free healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    ? Caring for terminally ill children is demeaning?
    Emptying bedpans, cleaning up sick and other rather unpleasant tasks are all part of a nurse's job. I would like to hear the details. Surely their US work was better and higher paying than what they got in the Phils?
    This is not in the article. There were notes on pay and schedule and assignment disputes.

    Several employees at one particular hospital. I'd like to know their visa statues. I smell a rat. Not on the employees end, but on the hospital/employer end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    Guess what boys and girls, there are a whole bunch of jobs where it's illegal to QUIT on the spot.

    Prison Guards, Air Traffic Controllers, some policemen, firemen, public safety officials, obviously some health care workers, commercial pilots ...

    and, you'll love this one MM, servicemen of all flavors.
    I am aware, sir.

    This case piques my interests because of their nationality and I'm interested in knowing more details and their visa statues. (H1-b?)

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    From wilki, check goggle lots of info

    The H-1B is a non-immigrant visa category in the United States under the Immigration & Nationality Act, section 101(a)(15)(H). It allows U.S. employers to employ foreign guest workers employed in specialty occupation and as fashion models. The regulations define a “specialty occupation” as requiring theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor including, but not limited to, architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, medicine and health, education, law, accounting, business specialties, theology, and the arts, and requiring the attainment of a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent as a minimum. Likewise, the foreign worker must possess at least a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent and state licensure, if required to practice in that field. H-1B work-authorization is strictly limited to employment by the sponsoring employer

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    So does that mean Aunti can't get an H1-B?

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    Jesus christ yes, they got enough trouble with Obama, don't need no more half assed lawyers.

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    ^ tee hee. I thought Ant said ages ago that he was not a lawyer but worked in the legal biz.

    I wonder if I can live there? I rang the IRS yesterday about whether I must pay US tax as I work for a NY company. Mr Ross (employee # 01xxx?) passed me on to Mr Jarvis (empl # xxx). Anyway, Mr Jarvis decided that as I do not reside in the US and am thus deemed a non-resident alien ( I hate being an alien) that I do not have to pay. Canada gets all my tax $. Yuk.
    I'll have to call US immigration and see what they say. Could be tricky as I am self-employed.
    OK, who wants to marry me?
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    well we can talk about that once you have a nice place to live on Orcas, I don't want to live on Johnnys tug forever.
    Plus that them fuking otters shit on the ends of the docks..

    After labor day it is easy to rent a summer home when the owners leave as they want a house setter of sorts, but you can find some nice year round stuff too.

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    Not untypical of the profession in my experience.

    15 years ago was looking after a terminally ill friend at home in London. As I was out at work in the day so I arranged an agency nurse at over £150 a day (in 1991!!)to come in. When she arrived I asked her to administer the IV traetments through the Hickman line (i'd been trained to do this in 10 minutes in out patients). She couldn't/ wouldn't do it! I explained to her where the food was in the fridge to prepare his lunch. She couldn't / wouldn't do that either. Ended up getting a travelling hippy guy in from a classified ad in Time Out. Lived in and took care of the "day shift" for me for board and £150/month. Great cook and he learnt to do the IVs too.

    On a related issue in the UK.......A dentist friend in the UK can no longer afford to continue with his NHS contract as to do so means operating at a loss on each patient, the NHS having unilaterally varied the terms of the contract several times in the last couple of years. His objection to continuing with NHS work is that to do so and break even or, god forbid, make a living, means compromising the level of care he's delivering to patients. He's not prepared to do that.

    He cannot walk away though. He will lose his BDC licence if he dis-continues traeting existing patients. He's therefore obliged, on withdrawing from the NHS, to continue treating all patients currently undergoing a course of treatment FREE of CHARGE.

    Put the filipinas on the first slow boat back to Manila!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    Paki farmers who bring in Mexican and even Peruvian workers to pick blueberries and live in these shanties for about $9 an hour minus housing, transport, etc). Last year, I think the tree huggers were up in arms that these workers got no free healthcare.
    Well, how do you feel about it? Do you sympathize with the "Paki" farmers trying to run a business or for labourers not getting healthcare? Because these are jobs that Canadian citizens won't do.

    As for the Filipina nurses, if they signed a contract and are not citizens, then they are probably bound to the conditions of that contract, if the contract itself is legal according to US law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hootad Binky
    Because these are jobs that Canadian citizens won't do.
    Are you sure that Canadians will not do that work, or will not do it as cheap as the wet backs..

    When I was young we worked on ranches putting up the hay and in the spring before ranch work started we picked strawberries and in the fall after ranch work ended on weekends when not in school we picked up spuds behind the diggers, and the closest mexican was 1000 miles south on the other side of the border.
    When I lived in Calif as a kid we always cut grapes and seen no mex in the fields then, but the grapes made it to the winerys and the tomatoes that were picked by US and mex labor did make it to the cannerys.
    But they did pay a decent wage too, then the mex took over because they would do it cheaper and an American will not do it, but where they will pay a decent wage there is still people that were called "fruit tramps" that do not camp under a tarp tied to the side of an old Packard or Nash anymore, but move around in new pickups and tow 35 or 40 foot travel trailers to the camp grounds furnished by the Apple and pear growers and then winter in the south with the true retired snow birds all winter.

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    ^ True, BG.
    ^^ Why won't Canucks do these jobs? Gotta work too hard? Easier to collect welfare, I suppose. Canadians are spoiled brats -- no training but not my fault or they go into trades to make inflated union wages. White Canuckies gave up their farms coz they couldn't make money; the East Indians took over. Fine. Get cheap immigrant labour. Fine. The immis make more up here in an hour than they do in a day in their home countries. Fine. But, you want to work in Canada and immigrate? Speak bladdy English or French and don't expect a hand-out for being an economic refugee, coz that's what most of them are.
    If you lost your job and couldn't get one that was up to your "standards" Hootie, would you accept a min wage job or go on welfare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    Are you sure that Canadians will not do that work
    Yes, there's a labour shortage right now in the Lower mainland, unemployment is at record lows, and these are not illegal immigrants but guest workers and landed immigrants.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    If you lost your job and couldn't get one that was up to your "standards" Hootie, would you accept a min wage job or go on welfare?
    I've never been unemployed. If I lost my job I imagine I would go on Employment Insurance while looking for another one, but I've never been without work or on EI.
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    ^ I never said they were "illegal" immigrants. You are right, most summer labour are guests workers, hence the bouhaha by the dogoodies over their bladdy healthcare that we, the taxpayers, will fund.
    Hey, Hoots, did you see the fed budget? $5,000 taxfree banking and the best for us travellers -- a 10-year passport (but not til 2011) instead of that stupid five-year jobbie.

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    You can save up to $5,000 tax free, apparently (or something).

    A lot of the trades, especially reno work, is under the table and not reported as taxable income.

    Vancouver is so expensive to live no wonder there's a shortage of labour.

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    ^ yep. A friend is in the flooring biz. RevCan audited him and refused all of his expense receipts coz he didn't write what the expense was for on the back of each bill. Funny, he's an honest bloke, but his boss, who writes off rounds of drinks for his friends every day and tinkers with his books (he boasts about it) has never been audited. Yet.
    Vancouver -- it's being destroyed. Folks paying half a mil or more to live in a 500sqft box in the West End. So many condo blocks there is no sun or view in most. Makes me shiver.

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    On that subject, 145 sqft condo in LA for $145,000,, and some same things in Seattle, between 150 and 300 sqft.
    Fuck a wildman, not room to park a motocy.

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    ^ Crikey! That's a garret.
    I heard they are doing vertical now -- ?? Ladder up to a loft or something? I'd be claustrophobic. My flat is only 800 sqft, but plenty for me with my outdoor patio. Mind, my main furniture is still in storage as I don't know what I want to do. hehe
    My place looks like Holly Golightly's pad.

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    Move down on Johnnys Tug til ya find a place on Orcas, in East sound is more city, but deer harboer is more quaint and a nice village and a good resturant, farm house I believe it is called.. walking distance from the boat, coarse the Cayuga cove marina is central located.
    John comes up for a few days in summer from his place down at Cabo San Lucas Baja Sur. Mexico.

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    Interesting shift. Nursing/labour laws to real estate.



    Quote Originally Posted by Zavier38
    Not untypical of the profession in my experience.
    In your experience? Your experience being the grand total of one person? Think you've disqualified yourself by that admission, don't you?

    This article does not give the full story, IMO. There is always more to it.
    Having said that, as a former nurse, IMO, there is no job beneath you & you do not leave those that depend on you.

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    ^ That's telling them, NR. I wonder if it was the shift work? But nurses and docs have to pull shifts. ER docs pull 24-hour duty, don't they?

    ^^ Tks, BG. I'll check it out. Tugboat? OK, my fav uncle was a tugboat captain (RIP Uncle Paul!), so he'd love that. He asked to have his ashes scattered in Burrard Inlet and the gov said "no dumping" off a boat. So, we got another tug captain to sneak him out. Canucks have a law for everything.
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