US Presidential Campaign 2008

**raycarey** · 06-02-2008, 04:17 PM

a bit more on the influence of oprah winfrey...

No matter what you're selling, there's no greater single guarantee of success than getting yourself booked on the Oprah Winfrey Show.

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama appeared on Oprah on October 18, 2006 and as a result, Internet searches on the Illinois senator vaulted 358% the week following his appearance.

Under the Influence of Oprah - TIME

Winfrey was called "arguably the World's most powerful woman" by CNN and Time.com[59], "arguably the most influential woman in the World" by the American Spectator [60], "one of the 100 people who most influenced the 20th Century" and "one of the most influential people" of 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 by Time. Winfrey is the only person in the World to have made all five lists. It should be noted that when these publications use the phrase "the World's most influential person" they mean "no single other person on the planet has more clout", not "this person affects the whole World".

Winfrey's influence reaches far beyond pop-culture and into unrelated industries where many believe she has the power to cause enormous market swings and radical price changes with a single comment. During a show about mad cow disease with Howard Lyman (aired on April 16, 1996), Winfrey exclaimed, "It has just stopped me cold from eating another burger!" Texas cattlemen sued her and Lyman in early 1998 for "false defamation of perishable food" and "business disparagement", claiming that Winfrey's remarks subsequently sent cattle prices tumbling, costing beef producers some USD$12 million.

Oprah Winfrey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so, whenever you're ready to hedge on this uninformed statement, let us know...

Originally Posted by texpat

Hardly a powerhouse outside her studio. Sure she's loaded, but a gnat on the political scene.

**Butterfly** · 06-02-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

one of the saddest final acts in the history of american politics.

not sad, he was weak, good riddance

**raycarey** · 06-02-2008, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

he was weak

to me, that's what was so sad about it...he knew it was all bullshit, but went along with it out of some sense of loyalty to the office of the presidency.

but in the end, he's just another cheney casualty.

**Butterfly** · 06-02-2008, 04:47 PM

^ yeah he got fucked alright, he had no vision beyond just taking orders,

a real "political" servant, worthless

**Jet Gorgon** · 06-02-2008, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by raycarey

the winfrey endorsement is particularly powerful this year because obama is running against a female candidate

This is clearly a very important issue for Obama. So far women have overwhelmingly (est. at 80% to 20%) voted for Hillary over Obama. If Oprah's influence can swing this to around 60% to 40% Obama will win.

How many times do I have to tell you deafwads that Oprah's fans have lambasted her for backing a black guy instead of a woman? Duh. She cannot lose her fan base, so notice she has not been stumping for Barack lately. Gawd, sometimes you guys are just like men.

**CharleyFarley** · 06-02-2008, 06:53 PM

Is anyone over there excited about electing any of these candidates, or are they more frightened of one winning over the other, hence the high turnout?

**raycarey** · 06-02-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

How many times do I have to tell you deafwads that Oprah's fans have lambasted her for backing a black guy instead of a woman? Duh. She cannot lose her fan base, so notice she has not been stumping for Barack lately. Gawd, sometimes you guys are just like men.

how many times do i have to tell you it doesn't matter how often you post nonsense, it doesn't make it any more accurate.

just this past weekend, oprah was on the stump for obama. that's right, THREE DAYS AGO!

The Obama campaign answered the visit by the surrogate-in-chief with a raucous rally featuring its own roster of influential endorsers at UCLA's Pauley Pavilion. In addition to Michelle Obama, Oprah Winfrey and Caroline Kennedy, California first lady Maria Shriver was at the rally -- and was formally introduced as part of the Obama camp.

Winfrey made essentially the same argument to women as former President Clinton made to African Americans: No knee-jerk voting, please.

"Every part of me believes in the empowerment of women," Winfrey said. "But the truth is I'm a free woman. Being free means you get to think for yourself and you get to decide for yourself what to do."

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feel free to apologize whenever you're ready jet gorgon.....

**Boon Mee** · 06-02-2008, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I wonder how Powel is feeling these days, he must feel betrayed, that dumb boyscout got completely owned

one of the saddest final acts in the history of american politics.

Wrong - Oliver North's defeat in the Virginia race was more tragic. Afraid the Republic is becoming more of a Nanny State with these sad losers running for office...

**raycarey** · 06-02-2008, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Oliver North

yawn.

now then, here's a bit of photographic evidence for our resident 'expert' on oprah winfrey's political support, jet gorgon...

obama, kennedy, shriver, winfrey in los angeles on monday.

California's 'first lady' joins the barracking - US Election - theage.com.au

now i'm no expert like jet gorgon, but it seems to me that two or three days ago qualifies as "lately".

gawd.

**mad_dog** · 06-02-2008, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

it is naive to dismiss the cultural and political influence of oprah winfrey.

yes her core demographic is middle aged women--but let's not forget that women make up more than half of the population, and by and large, they vote.

the winfrey endorsement is particularly powerful this year because obama is running against a female candidate....the endorsement gives women with feminist inclinations "permission" to vote against one of their own. many of those women who have negative feelings against clinton (for whatever reason) now won't feel guilty about not voting for her.

IMO oprah winfrey is definitely one of the most powerful people in america...if not the world. and this opinion is not simply based on the fact that she outrageously wealthy. it is undeniable that women buy what she tells them to buy, and it's becoming quite apparent that many of them are voting like she tells them to vote.

Indeed. Most voters don't vote on the issues. Not many Americans are interested in Politics. When Ophra recommends a book they never fail to get into the top ten of the NYT best sellers list.

Hilary carries too much baggage middle America i.e Colorado seems to prefer voting for a black man. Than an obviously sly and devious career politician.

**mad_dog** · 06-02-2008, 08:37 PM

Ron Paul is still hanging in there he's the best of the bunch but doesn't have hope in hell as he has been squished by the news networks and his own party

**chinthee** · 06-02-2008, 08:40 PM

^Well, you have to be realistic in today's world. Ron Paul never had any more chance than Pat Paulson or Stephen Colbert.

**Boon Mee** · 07-02-2008, 05:21 AM

Whoops!

It seems the Clinton daughter violated election laws in New Haven, CT the other day.

What's new, eh? Just another Clinton doing whatever it takes...

WTNH.com, Connecticut News and Weather - Questions about Chelsea at polling place

**chinthee** · 07-02-2008, 08:06 AM

Watching Bill O'Reilly now, and he has Dick Morris on as a guest analyzing Super Tuesday, and the future.

O'Reilly says that even if Obama comes in second in delegates, that Clinton has to make a deal with him to be VP, and he would accept it. However, it's not clear who will win yet.

With McCain, he reckons Condoleezza Rice would make the best VP choice or maybe Mitt Romney to appease the far right.

Dick Morris didn't disagree.

**Hootad Binky** · 07-02-2008, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Wrong- Oliver North's defeat in the Virginia race was more tragic. Afraid the Republic is becoming more of a Nanny State with these sad losers running for office...

Ah yes... Oliver North

In 1974, according to Parade magazine (Nov. 13, 1994) North spent an evening running through a suburban neighborhood naked, waving his .45 automatic pistol and screaming, "I'm no good!" North mentions his subsequent three week stay at Bethesda Naval Medical Center's psychiatric ward in his autobiography, "Under Fire".

Contra-Intelligence on Oliver North-by Celerino Castillo 3rd: Drugwar.com
DEA.35

"Deranged" springs to mind...

**Hootad Binky** · 07-02-2008, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Ron Paul is still hanging in there he's the best of the bunch but doesn't have hope in hell as he has been squished by the news networks and his own party

Really, how? I'm not very familiar with his party at all. "Libertarian party" seems a bit of an oxymoron (I guess from an anarchist's point of view) but his supporters were certainly very vocal...

**Butterfly** · 07-02-2008, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by chinthee

to appease the far right.

jesus, how sad is this ?

**chinthee** · 07-02-2008, 08:25 AM

^BF, what don't you understand about appeasing all the elements of a political party in order to win?

America is more complicated than it appears at first blush. There are huge power blocks in various factions from liberal to conservative in various levels.

**Hootad Binky** · 07-02-2008, 08:30 AM

And the GOP is a coalition, always has been...

**Butterfly** · 07-02-2008, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by chinthee

^BF, what don't you understand about appeasing all the elements of a political party in order to win?

so why would appeasing christian fundamentalist be ok, but appeasing muslims extremists not ? the Christian ones have killed far more people than the muslims ones, no compromise and no courting

a bit hyprocrite for such support of appeasement ?

**chinthee** · 07-02-2008, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by chinthee

^BF, what don't you understand about appeasing all the elements of a political party in order to win?

so why would appeasing christian fundamentalist be ok, but appeasing muslims extremists not ? the Christian ones have killed far more people than the muslims ones,

a bit hyprocrite for such support of appeasement ?

That's easy. There isn't a big important political block of Muslims in the US. in either party. Remember, we're talking about winning an election, not about whether you agree with Christians vs. Muslims' political power.

**Butterfly** · 07-02-2008, 08:58 AM

^ but courting them also means appeasing their concern and following their ideas, why should this be ok for one, but not ok for the others

These people are more dangerous than your peace loving muslims,

**chinthee** · 07-02-2008, 09:01 AM

^BF, this is a discussion of the US Presidential Campaign. If you can find a citation of the importance of Muslims as a important delegate or voting block in the US in either party then your comments are valid. Otherwise, you're off topic and should take your Muslim sympathies to the proper thread.

**Butterfly** · 07-02-2008, 09:08 AM

^ so if there was a terrorist organization represented in the US, it would be ok for US politicians to court them for a vote ? I find this highly disgraceful. What about the Nazi party in the US ? if they had more members, should US politicians court them ?

**chinthee** · 07-02-2008, 09:18 AM

^Yes! Absolutely. That is the beauty of US representative democracy. Any block with enough votes, delegates and power can be courted.

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