Thread: Questions

I have some questions to ask and would appreciate all the members to keep this thread amicable and informative. I will not answer to anyone, whoever it might be, posting gibberish and request the mods to try to keep this one on track.

Let's start with a simple question:

Let's consider you are presented with a unique equipment/machine (which can perform anything you wish) which nobody has ever seen. You are the first person to see it right in front of you.

Let's say the person showing you the machine poses a question to you "who will be the first person to tell you about the mechanism of this machine?"

What would be your answer to such question?

My second question will follow once we get this one sorted.

P.S: Once again I request to all parties to have a civil and informative discussion.

Originally Posted by machangezi

Let's say the person showing you the machine poses a question to you "who will be the first person to tell you about the mechanism of this machine?"

It would be the guy who shows me the machine and asks the question, or maybe they'll present someone who knows how to use it.

Not sure what this is getting at?

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by machangezi

Let's say the person showing you the machine poses a question to you "who will be the first person to tell you about the mechanism of this machine?"

It would be the guy who shows me the machine and asks the question, or maybe they'll present someone who knows how to use it.

Not sure what this is getting at?

The guy who shows me the machine is the inventor. I assume you mean that the inventor would be able to tell me about the mechanism of this machine. Right?

Originally Posted by machangezi

The guy who shows me the machine is the inventor.

But you said that you were the first person to see it.
How did the inventor manage to build it without seeing it ?

Originally Posted by Thetyim

Originally Posted by machangezi

The guy who shows me the machine is the inventor.

But you said that you were the first person to see it.
How did the inventor manage to build it without seeing it ?

I mean apart from the inventor.

Originally Posted by machangezi

I assume you mean that the inventor would be able to tell me about the mechanism of this machine. Right?

Yes, of course.
Once the machine is out for inspection, others will find out what it does and how, as well, maybe even find uses the inventor hasn't thought of.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by machangezi

I assume you mean that the inventor would be able to tell me about the mechanism of this machine. Right?

Yes, of course.
Once the machine is out for inspection, others will find out what it does and how, as well, maybe even find uses the inventor hasn't thought of.

Thanks Stroll, you're making it easy for me.

Now here's another question ....

How was the universe created?

Big bang?

Originally Posted by Deus Ex

Big bang?

Is that an answer?

It was a question.

I believe in the Big Bang theory, because it can be proved, but what came before that I haven't got a clue.

Originally Posted by Deus Ex

I believe in the Big Bang theory, because it can be proved

I'd like to, but i can't believe in something that i don't understand.

i will continue not believing in God anyway.

You can observe the planets all moving away from each-other in a manner consistent with them all starting in the same place.

Originally Posted by Deus Ex

I believe in the Big Bang theory

Fair enough..... Now my question is: what was the year when this theory was put forward??

Originally Posted by Deus Ex

You can observe the planets all moving away from each-other in a manner consistent with them all starting in the same place.

maybe they have been bouncing off each other since time immemorial.

I think the same as CMN.

As for when the theory was put forward, I can only Google that.

In 1927, the Belgian priest Georges Lemaître was the first to propose that the universe began with the explosion of a primeval atom. His proposal came after observing the red shift in distant nebulas by astronomers to a model of the universe based on relativity. Years later, Edwin Hubble found experimental evidence to help justify Lemaître's theory. He found that distant galaxies in every direction are going away from us with speeds proportional to their distance.
The big bang was initially suggested because it explains why distant galaxies are traveling away from us at great speeds. The theory also predicts the existence of cosmic background radiation (the glow left over from the explosion itself). The Big Bang Theory received its strongest confirmation when this radiation was discovered in 1964 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who later won the Nobel Prize for this discovery. Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions

In 1927, the Belgian priest Georges Lemaître was the first to propose that the universe began with the explosion of a primeval atom. His proposal came after observing the red shift in distant nebulas by astronomers to a model of the universe based on relativity. Years later, Edwin Hubble found experimental evidence to help justify Lemaître's theory. He found that distant galaxies in every direction are going away from us with speeds proportional to their distance.
The big bang was initially suggested because it explains why distant galaxies are traveling away from us at great speeds. The theory also predicts the existence of cosmic background radiation (the glow left over from the explosion itself). The Big Bang Theory received its strongest confirmation when this radiation was discovered in 1964 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who later won the Nobel Prize for this discovery. Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions

Quran, chapter 21, verse 30,

Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder?

Now who could have told this to Mohammed P.B.U.H ( a shepard) around 1400 years ago??

Don't take this the wrong way - isn't it possible he was mentally ill?

He could have imagined it.

Many people have 'visions' or whatever you want to call it.

Originally Posted by Deus Ex

It was a question.

I believe in the Big Bang theory, because it can be proved, but what came before that I haven't got a clue.

If Big Bang is the answer then the only thing that could've been before is this universe's predecessor that had collapsed into itself to cause that BB, just as this one will start to do once it's expansion grinds to a halt.

I think they have already determined that the universe is going to keep expanding forever. There will be no Big Crunch.

Subject matter and topics of Chapter 51
The chapter mostly deals with the Hereafter, and in the end it presents the invitation to Tauhid. In addition, the people have also been warned that refusal to accept the message of the Prophets and persistence in the concepts and creeds of ignorance have proved to be disastrous for those nations themselves which have adopted this attitude and way of life in the past. About the Hereafter what this Surah presents in short but pithy sentences is this: The people's different and conflicting beliefs about the end of human life are themselves an express proof that none of these beliefs and creeds is based on knowledge; everyone by himself has formed an ideology on the basis of conjecture and made the same his creed. Someone thought that there would be no life-after-death; someone believed in the life- after-death, but in the form of the transmigration of souls someone believed in the life hereafter and the meting out of the rewards and punishments but invented different sorts of props and supports to escape retribution. About a question of such vital and fundamental importance a wrong view of which renders man's whole life-work wrong and waste and ruins his future for ever, it would be a disastrous folly to build an ideology only on the basis of speculation and conjecture, without knowledge. It would mean that man should remain involved in a grave misunderstanding, pass his whole life in the heedlessness of error, and after death should suddenly meet with a situation for which he had made no preparation at all. There is only one way of forming the right opinion about such a question, and it is this: Man should seriously ponder over the knowledge about the Hereafter that the Prophet of Allah is conveying to him from Him, and should study carefully the system of the earth and heavens and his own existence: and should see whether the evidence of that knowledge's being sound and correct is afforded by everything around him or not. In this regard, the arrangement of the wind and rain, the structure of the earth and the creatures found on it, man's own self, the creation of the heavens and of everything in the world in the form of pairs have been presented as evidence of the Hereafter, and instances have been cited from human history to show that the temper of the empire of the Universe requires that the law of retribution must operate here. After this, giving the invitation to Tauhid briefly, it has been said : "Your Creator has not created you for the service of others but for His own service. He is not like your false gods, which receive sustenance from you and godhead of which cannot function without your help, but He is a God Who is the Sustainer of all, Who does not stand in need of sustenance from anyone and Whose Godhead is functioning by His own power and might. In this very connection, it has also been stated that whenever the Prophets of Allah have been opposed and resisted, they have not been opposed and resisted on the basis of any rational ground but on the basis of the same obduracy and stubbornness and false pride that is being shown against the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), and there is no other motive for it than rebellion and arrogance. Then the Holy Prophet has been instructed not to bother about the rebels but to go on performing his mission of invitation and admonition, for it is useful and beneficial for the believers although it may not be so for the other people. As for the wicked people who still persist in their rebellion, they should know that their predecessors who followed the same way of life, have already received their shares of the punishment, and these people's share of the punishment has been made ready for them.

The Quran in this chapter covers various topics for those interested I have given a brief description above but the point I want to emphasize upon is that God asks man in this chapter to carefully study the system of the earth and heavens and his own existence: and should see whether the evidence of that knowledge's being sound and correct is afforded by everything around him or not.

Yes, I have studied the "system of the earth" and concluded that there is nothing divine in any of this. No, not from Jesus and God, not from Allah, not from any of these weak human explanations of the origins of man.

Sorry.

Hey Macha, are these indications of a real intelligent bloke or a charlatan manipulating peasant masses...?


When Habib the Wise challenged Mohammed to validate his mission
by cleaving the moon in two, the Prophet raised his hands toward
heaven and commended the moon to attend his bidding.
Accordingly, it descended to the top of the kaaba, made seven
circuits, and coming to the prophet, rose into his right sleeve
and emerged from the left. It then entered the collar of his
robe, descended to the skirt and clove itself into two plaits,
one of which appeared in the east of the skies and the other in
the west. The two parts ultimately reunited.

It is known that Muhamat accepted the kneeling of Al Adha,
fabled to perform the trip from Jerusalem to Mecca in four
bounds, as a sign from God, which is why he consented to allow a camel
to enter the portals of heaven, alongside Borak, a donkey, and two dogs.

According to Mohamed, perhaps eager to convey his credentials
to highly educated followers, the Seventh Heaven is formed
of divine light beyond the power of the tongue to describe. Ruled
by Abraham, father of those who in later years will be targeted for
destruction, the inhabitants are bigger than the whole earth
and each have 70,000 heads, each with 70,000 faces, and each face
is made of 70,000 mouths; each mouth holds 70,000 tongues, each
of which speaks 70,000 languages, all for ever employed
in chanting the praises of Allah.



On the other hand, you can start what portends to be a serious thread, only to spoil it all with a demented argument on the strength of...

Quran, chapter 21, verse 30,

Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder?

Happy new year, if your prophet consents, and hope you had a great Xmas whether you wanted to or not.