Thread: blackwater (war profiteering scum) expelled from iraq

BAGHDAD, Sept. 17 — The Iraqi government said it had revoked the license of Blackwater USA, a private security company that provides protection for American diplomats across Iraq, after shots fired from an American convoy killed eight Iraqis.
Abdul-Karim Khalaf, a spokesman for Iraq’s Ministry of Interior, said the authorities had canceled the company’s license and barred its activity across Iraq. He said the government would prosecute the deaths, though according to the rules that govern private contractors, it was not clear whether the Iraqis had the legal authority to do so.
“This is a big crime that we can’t stay silent before,” said Jawad al-Bolani, Iraq’s interior minister, speaking on satellite television. “Anyone who wants to have good relations with Iraq has to respect Iraqis.”
The incident took place on Sunday in Nisour Square, an area in western Baghdad that is clogged with construction and concrete blocks. American officials said that a convoy of State Department vehicles came under fire, causing one to break down. It was towed. The officials did not say whether any of the convoy’s security guards fired back or whether they worked for Blackwater.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/17/wo...hp&oref=slogin

it's about time.

Good!

Who's to say they wern't fired on first?

^ True, but responding with eight deaths may have seemed a little harsh! It wouldn't be the first time mercenaries have killed civilians in Iraq.

National Public Radio reported an explosion went off and the convoy came under small arms fire from several locations.

TIME magazine online reports: Some eyewitnesses said the fighting began after an explosion detonated near the U.S. convoy, but the incident report does not reflect that.

Hallelujah, maybe there is a God.

Let me see, OK, Yes 8 civies were killed, who says they were not part of the problem, how do you determine what civilian was an innocent bystander and which ones were armed and dangerous?

Really hard to tell when everyone has a gun, packs it everywhere he goes and everyone dressed the same.

Not saying that they most likely do not fukup at times, but why the big stink when there was not also a report of how many were killed in bombings and by members of the Iraq military and by other militia armed by the Iraq govt. during the same time frame.

Look how many Iraq civies were killed by other "Arabs", for a better word, I know that there were also Persians and others involved, But how many Iraqi have been killed by all American or coalition fire and how many have been killed in bombings and other "Arab" attacks.
so the count is fairly minuscule isn't it.

^ There is a very simple issue with mercenaries in Iraq BG.

They can murder at whim, but under the terms of the Occupation can not be held accountable for it within Iraq. They can not even be charged, or tried. A soldier can be held accountable, however.

Do you think this is fair, and just?

more about blackwater employees murdering without fear of prosecution...

A Blackwater employee was responsible for the shooting death of a bodyguard for one of Iraq’s vice presidents, Adel Abdul Mahdi, on Christmas Eve last year, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal in May. The Blackwater guard had been drinking heavily in the Green Zone, according to the report, and tried to enter an area where Iraqi officials live. The employee was fired, but left Iraq without being prosecuted, the report said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/wo...nted=2&_r=1&hp

Originally Posted by raycarey

more about blackwater employees murdering without fear of prosecution...

This is one of the ugliest and least reported issues about this Iraq charade.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Look how many Iraq civies were killed by other "Arabs", ... But how many Iraqi have been killed by all American or coalition fire and how many have been killed in bombings and other "Arab" attacks.
so the count is fairly minuscule isn't it.

You come up with the conclusion "miniscule" without providing any figures or comparisons.

Besides, it's that logic comparing one's own misdeeds with others' again and insisting one looks 'good' by comparison.

Originally Posted by sabang

Do you think this is fair, and just?

No not at all, but just makes me wonder at the govt there when they arm all the private militias and private armys of the war lords and they kill by the thousands and never a word is said, but when either a merc or an army soldier kills 1 or a few they raise such a stink and everyone of the PC liberals on most boards fall right in behind them, thats all.

When was the last time that you heard a stink raised about a pile of 20 or 50 beheaded bodys found on some morning was brought to the fore and a bunch of hell raised about it,
And it seems to me that most folks think that mass or serial killing in great numbers is much worse than a dude killing another guy.
So why the difference on this issue now?

I think that the indiscriminate suicide bombings of a crowd at a market and killing men, women and children with the main reason being that many will be killed as the only thought is much worse.

You know your self that in any conflict, there will be collateral damage, but the bombings and beheadings are no way the same thing, and for all I know, what just happened was collateral.

I am not making excuses for anyone, I would just like to know what is so different about it..

Maybe the reason that the phoneys on here like Bob and sTroller and a bunch of others have a victum in site and want to stone them to death, has nothing to do with the killings but see a "said" Perp and want to lynch him.

^Blackgang. I don't know where you got "Maybe the reason that the phoneys on here like Bob and sTroller and a bunch of others have a victum in site and want to stone them to death" from. I don't like you and you don't like me but there's no reason for you to make up barefaced lies about my attitudes or beliefs. I have never attempted to justify beheadings. murders, or massacre by anybody, the whole thing sickens me. Attack me for whatever real reasons there may be be to attack me but don't just make things up.

Not making anything up, whenever there is anything negative posted by RC you are one of the first to fall in line and start to raise hell about what a bunch of bastards the Americans are, but I have never seen a thread about the mass killings in any ME country or by any ME force started by you or the other rabble rousers.
Boy them Joos or them Americans are a bunch of shit heels for killing them 3 Palestines in that attack, When some were killed in Lebanon, when infact the Israeli were answering a rocket or some other attack by Hezbollah or Hamas, or Americans were defending themselves again an attcak, but nothing is said about Iraqi, Hamas or Fatah Al Islam killing others of their own people.

I just can't see where it is all so different because it was any certain people killing others.
I do not think and never have saw any reason for the US to be in Iraq since Desert storm when Saddam went into Kewait and got his ass run out,

Originally Posted by blackgang

Not making anything up, whenever there is anything negative posted by RC you are one of the first to fall in line and start to raise hell about what a bunch of bastards the Americans are, but I have never seen a thread about the mass killings in any ME country or by any ME force started by you or the other rabble rousers.

That's all untrue. But what the hell, you just see what you want to see, nothing I can do about that.

My power went off just as I was about to finish my reply to Bob baby, so I shut down on UPS, a tree went thru the power lines and they just now got it back up.

The US is not the only country that went to war with Saddam, and the Brits and Tony Blair were really ready, France and Germany were along with Russia as again it, they had to good a customer in their war materials sales and to much skim off roe the oil for food shit along with Kafi Anan and his son that skimmed millions from it.
Here are some other nations that you can rag on for awhile and maybe make some sense from what you post.

Contributions from Coalition member nations range from: direct military participation, logistical and intelligence support, specialized chemical/biological response teams, over-flight rights, humanitarian and reconstruction aid, to political support.
Forty-nine countries are publicly committed to the Coalition, including:
Afghanistan
Albania
Angola
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Colombia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Japan
Kuwait
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Marshall Islands
Micronesia
Mongolia
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Palau
Panama
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Rwanda
Singapore
Slovakia
Solomon Islands
South Korea
Spain
Tonga
Turkey
Uganda
Ukraine
United Kingdom
United States
Uzbekistan
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/ir...030327-10.html

I have a hard time with people that are supposed to be civilized and are such bigots toward the US that they can not seem to tell the truth.
Anally retentive bastards that are so proud of their extreme PCnes that they have to rag on someone and they think that since the US is the stud duck of the pond and supporting most others and footing the bills that they are the BAD bastard country.
Look at AUST. John Howard, he says if the US does cut back on troops that he will still maintain present troop strength in Iraq, why not rag on him awhile, the USA ain't in this alone.
some folks are so narrow minded that they can look thru a keyhole with both eyes and can not see past the end of their nose.

I don't like whats going on either, but give it a break, there are more folks in this than the USA and GW Bush, and by sounding off at just one person or country is stupid.
The mercs are just doing their jobs, that vid clip that we saw on here and discussed and came to the conclusion that they were Mercs and most likely were escorts and were protecting a convoy or other vehicles at the time the vid was shot, now they show on the media news where one car was shot at and it does look bad, but they do not show the whole thing, so come to your senses.
That kind of work is tough and sometimes you make a mistake, but who knows what really happen in this one instance, all you know is what the media tells you and if you believe even 1/2 of that then you are silly, I have been in that position myself and you do the same thing that the military does, when shot at, you return fire, but do make more money a month than a GI.

Err, that's very nice BG. Well done. But what the fuck has that got to do with anything? Do you ever read the posts you're replying to or are you talking back to the voices in your head again?

Originally Posted by blackgang

John Howard, he says if the US does cut back on troops that he will still maintain present troop strength in Iraq

holy cow, all 550 combat troops?

and howard should be bounced out of office soon anyway.

Originally Posted by blackgang

The mercs are just doing their jobs,

and like the other blackwater profiteers in faluja a few years ago, they should get what they deserve.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Afghanistan Albania Angola Australia Azerbaijan Bulgaria Colombia Czech Republic Denmark Dominican Republic El Salvador Eritrea Estonia Ethiopia Georgia Honduras Hungary Iceland Italy Japan Kuwait Latvia Lithuania Macedonia Marshall Islands Micronesia Mongolia Netherlands Nicaragua Palau Panama Philippines Poland Portugal Romania Rwanda Singapore Slovakia Solomon Islands South Korea Spain Tonga Turkey Uganda Ukraine United Kingdom United States Uzbekistan

even through an alcohol induced stupor, you have to realize what a joke this list is.

let's put aside the militarily insignificant countries on BG's list (palau, micronesia, marshall islands, etc...) here are the numbers of some of the other "members of the coalition"...

Well, actually, the United States—we—have 169,000 men and women over there. The British, about 3 percent of the number we have. But let me give you some sense of the other firepower that’s joining us in the field. The nation of Hungary has 15 people there -- 15 -- Japan, one of our strongest allies has five people there, Latvia two, Turkey, our strongest Islamic ally, two people there, New Zealand one person there, Singapore one person there. Our closest neighbor to the north, our strongest trading partner, Canada, has one person in Iraq. Those are our 36 strong allies the president’s talking about.

'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for Sept. 14 - Hardball with Chris Matthews - MSNBC.com

so what, those people think that it was a good deal, they were behind it, no matter if they have troops or not, their vote was to go so it is not all BUSH idea,
You poor little mamas boy think that it is a bad deal, but even the Demos were behind it, now are trying to renege on the deal.
Not such a political good idea now and to many idiots think like you that they can fix it, bullshit.
I don't care about those people and I would pull out, but then the killing really starts and the demos know it too, so they will not pull out either, wait and see, they will have a lot of excuses for staying.
But I guess it gives you a good feeling, thinking that you are the head man of the war dissidents and are following you, just like that little piddly bunch that showed up in DC for that rally the other day,, shit what a fucked up excuse for a rally that was.

Can we stay with the topic for a bit before going off on a tangent about the "mama's boy", the "Demos" or who went to war with Saddam or not?

OK hows this
from the OP.
The incident took place in Baghdad on Sunday, but the details are still unclear, American officials could not say whether the Blackwater guards in the diplomatic motorcade had caused any of the deaths. Bombs were going off in the area at the time.
“There was a firefight,” said Sean McCormack, the State Department spokesman. “We believe some innocent life was lost. Nobody wants to see that. But I can’t tell you who was responsible for that.”

Now this is HE SAID<<SHE SAID type shit, only Iraq minister who wasn't even there has said they did it, no one that was there is saying that,
so the info is strictly "think maybe so", nothing is proof positive, maybe when they open the stiffs up and look, they were killed by shrapnel or 7.62 cal bullets, and this thread was started by an American hating rabble rouser who wants attention because he is so smart and has started a shit fight when he has no more idea than anyone else about guilt.
Why not wait til facts are in before he starts calling someone "war profiteering scum" .

the white house is always blubbering on about how iraq is a sovereign nation....well, is it?

as you and stroll have said, read the header,,stick to the subject.
Do you have proof that the mercs actually shot some folks or not?

The people that were there never said that they did or saw them do it.
Bombs going off and all that, some shooting so who really killed them headbangers,, Did you see it, this your thread and you are calling them profiteering scum, now back it or shut up.