Thread: Ahmadinejawhackjob Wants To Share Nukes With Middle East

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Latest from the White House, Bush predicts Holocaust if Iran gets Nukes.

How much more appeasment do y'all think will work?

Disregarding your use of the word "appeasement" for a moment do you have any positive suggestions apart from military action (which neither the US nor Israel is really capable of) ?

More stringet sanctions until the folks there rise up and throw out the mad mullahs. Even France is onboard with a nuclear-free Iran. Sarko's speech yesterday called it "unacceptable"

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

More stringet sanctions until the folks there rise up and throw out the mad mullahs.

Yeah starving the Iraqis for over a decade really worked. The day Iran gets nuclear arms will be the day when all the "you are with us or ur against us" "hawks" will suddenly become desperatley interested in "talks" and "multilateralism" and the UN and giving money to Iran and freeing kidnapped Iranians. Just look at the DRNK.

Not sure it's the same thing - Iraq/Iran re sanctions. 1) The Iranian people have not been browbeaten as badly as the Iraqui folks have for decades and if they (Iranians) saw some avenue and support from the west, they might rise up as they have in the past.2) As far as the hawks seeking talks, you really think Israel will talk when they know they're on the brink of extinction?

1) By whom? They have been by the United States. If you are referring to the post revolution Iran the system of government has recieved a fair amount of popular support. The youth aree not in uprising; as much as the Mc Cain type nutters like to potray then as the Taliban they are not "mad Mullahs" Iran has a higher % of female univeristy graduates than male. 2) The thing is short of a US/ Israel groud invasion there is little chance of anyone being able to stop Iran gaining nuclear weapons (dispersed undergruond facilties etc etc) ( if that is their intended aim).

Also that is the entire point of nuclear weapons. If both sides have them they are never used. If Iran fired two or three nuclear weapons it would recieve 3/400 in return. MAD applies in each and every case. Iran is a rational actor and as such its first aim is to ensure survival.

Boons look at it form their point of view: it's sworn enemy has invaded two countries contiguous to it and have nuclear capable destroyers prowling her waters and the Israeli Jews talk openly about their right to attack the country at anytime it they see fit.

The US is the belicose rouge. The US is the evil empire.

Until such time as the US achieves a positive timetable to get Israel to withdraw from Occupied Palestine, not only will it not have a shred of credibility in the Middle East, but your so called friends will remain behind the scenes your enemies.

It is quite a good thing for Iran to get nuclear power, and frankly not a bad thing for it to be nuclear armed as far as I can make out. At least it will reign in Israels aggression, seeing as the West refuses to do so.

Originally Posted by sabang

It is quite a good thing for Iran to get nuclear power,

yes.

Originally Posted by sabang

and frankly not a bad thing for it to be nuclear armed as far as I can make out.

yes

Originally Posted by sabang

At least it will reign in Israels aggression,

yes

Originally Posted by sabang

seeing as the West refuses to do so.

yes

Originally Posted by sabang

It is quite a good thing for Iran to get nuclear power, and frankly not a bad thing for it to be nuclear armed as far as I can make out. At least it will reign in Israels aggression, seeing as the West refuses to do so.

And what color is the sky on the world y'all living on?
Sure it'll be good for Iran to have nuclear weapons to sell to other terrorists?
Man...wish I had some of that shit you're smoking...

TD has a rally squad ............

google it

I would have thought Pakistan is a far worse risk in that regard Booner, and they've already got nukes.
Iran is not the nation of fierce jihadists you seem to think. Furthermore, unlike Israel, they are quite willing to develop nuclear energy under the monitoring of the IAEA.
An Iran that is not living under constant paranoia of attack or invasion, and is benefitting from atomic energy- as opposed to it's current appalling situation of having to export crude oil but import refined gasoline- will just modernise and rejoin the international community sooner.
Don't forget they had a nuclear reactor back in the Shah's days. They aren't exactly in the stone age technilogically. Your foreign policy in the ME seems to be to keep them all in the Stone Age as long as possible.
Under international law, they are breaking no rules at all.

Originally Posted by sabang

I would have thought Pakistan is a far worse risk in that regard Booner, and they've already got nukes.
Iran is not the nation of fierce jihadists you seem to think.

Tell that to the Hostages Iran has taken at various points in time

Under international law, they are breaking no rules at all.

In fact they are breaking the IAEA nuclear non proliferation treaty by continuing to build centrifuges and enriching weapons grade uranium.

^ America is equally in breach of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, as it requires nuclear powers to, at a bare minimum, "pursue negotiations in good faith on...nuclear disarmament, and on a treaty on general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control." Unfotunately, I don't see anyone threatening to bomb Washington because of this but I suppose we can always live in hope.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Gerontion

Tell that to the Hostages Iran has taken at various points in time

And the illegal detainees at Gitmo deprived of due process? What do we tell them?

Heh...I'll bite at this troll.
Tell 'em they're lucky to have 3 squares and a cot to lay down on. Enemy combatants (no uniform etc) do not enjoy privileges granted under the Geneva Convention.

Then again, your gig might be corporate law so you're out of your element?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

you're out of your element

has anyone seen 'the big lebowski'?
on several occasions booner's posts have reminded me of the character walter who (in addition to being psychotic), is always saying, 'you're out of your element donny'

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Then again, your gig might be corporate law so you're out of your element?

I wish you'd make your mind up, one minute I'm a "TEFL'er", the next a lawyer.

Regardless, whatever my "gig" is Booners, I do know that illegal detention and torture is in stark contrast to "Freedom" and "Democracy".

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Then again, your gig might be corporate law so you're out of your element?

I wish you'd make your mind up, one minute I'm a "TEFL'er", the next a lawyer.

Regardless, whatever my "gig" is Booners, I do know that illegal detention and torture is in stark contrast to "Freedom" and "Democracy".

Well, I've since learned you might even be an 'ambulance-chaser' as opposed to a TEFLer. Torture? Let's have some proof of that, eh? And water-boarding, loud noises, sleep-deprivation do not count.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Torture? Let's have some proof of that, eh? And water-boarding, loud noises, sleep-deprivation do not count.

Why not? Because you say so? Going to have to do much better than that Booners...

Inter alia:

Human Rights Watch - Torture - Abuse of Detainees - Iraq - Afghanistan

Each day brings more information about the appalling abuses inflicted upon men and women held by the United States in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere around the world. U.S. forces have used interrogation techniques including hooding, stripping detainees naked, subjecting them to extremes of heat, cold, noise and light, and depriving them of sleep—in violation of the Geneva Conventions and the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. This apparently routine infliction of pain, discomfort, and humiliation has expanded in all too many cases into vicious beatings, sexual degradation, sodomy, near drowning, and near asphyxiation. Detainees have died under questionable circumstances while incarcerated...

US acknowledges torture at Guantanamo; in Iraq, Afghanistan - UN - Forbes.com

US acknowledges torture at Guantanamo; in Iraq, Afghanistan - UN
06.24.2005, 11:37 AM

GENEVA (AFX) - Washington has, for the first time, acknowledged to the United Nations that prisoners have been tortured at US detention centres in Guantanamo Bay, as well as Afghanistan and Iraq, a UN source said...

United States of America - Amnesty International

Hundreds of detainees continued to be held without charge or trial at the US naval base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. Thousands of people were detained during US military and security operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and routinely denied access to their families and lawyers.

Military investigations were initiated or conducted into allegations of torture and ill-treatment of detainees by US personnel in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and into reports of deaths in custody and ill-treatment by US forces elsewhere in Iraq, and in Afghanistan and Guantánamo. Evidence came to light that the US administration had sanctioned interrogation techniques that violated the UN Convention against Torture. Pre-trial military commission hearings opened in Guantánamo but were suspended pending a US court ruling.

And look Booners, not a single blog either!

Well, I've since learned you might even be an 'ambulance-chaser' as opposed to a TEFLer

Really? So what is it you do Booners? Does it involve brushes and public commodes?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by sabang

I would have thought Pakistan is a far worse risk in that regard Booner, and they've already got nukes.
Iran is not the nation of fierce jihadists you seem to think.

Tell that to the Hostages Iran has taken at various points in time

Under international law, they are breaking no rules at all.

In fact they are breaking the IAEA nuclear non proliferation treaty by continuing to build centrifuges and enriching weapons grade uranium.

So if they were to withdraw from the treaty and no longer be signatories would they then be considered good friends of the USA, like the nuclear-armed non-signatories Pakistan, India, and Israel (at least one of whom, considering it's recent and current history, is well worth worrying about when it comes to sharing technology with the bad guys)? After all they only have to give three months notice and withdrawing from the treaty doesn't seem to have had any bad effect on North Korea, who will proliferate anything to anybody who's got hard currency.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Torture? Let's have some proof of that, eh? And water-boarding, loud noises, sleep-deprivation do not count.

Care to put that to the test, Booner? You name the time and place and we'll bring the "instruments", maybe we could have a TD poll on how long you'd stand up to the non-torture.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Care to put that to the test, Booner? You name the time and place and we'll bring the "instruments", maybe we could have a TD poll on how long you'd stand up to the non-torture.

If his ability to stick to the issues and maintain a coherent position on here is anything to go by, odds are he'd fold like a cheap suit and be crying for his mum merely at the mention of the word "torture".

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Torture? Let's have some proof of that, eh? And water-boarding, loud noises, sleep-deprivation do not count.

Care to put that to the test, Booner? You name the time and place and we'll bring the "instruments", maybe we could have a TD poll on how long you'd stand up to the non-torture.

Well, I probably wouldn't last as long a KSM did. He's the one they grabbed in Karachi who was the 'mastermind' of 9/11. He reportedly lasted 8 minutes of water-boarding - a record from what we hear - before giving up the goods. Anyhow, 'torture' is more like pulling fingernails, or the knout like the Russkies used to use, eh?

Having KSM and the rest of that lot listen to 'Nine Inch Nails' or some quality rap at 100db probably gave them a bit of a cultural exposure they wouldn't ordinarily have!

Really ! Seeing a bunch of keyboard warriors get macho over torture really interferes with the digestion of my supper ! I was in my local village bar once when this occasional customer and permanent drunk decided to make a nest in my ear. When I got rid of him the lads apologised for not rescuing me from this 'ball breaker' (loosely translated from the French describing a pain-in-hole type person). I just shrugged and said it would take more than the likes of him to break my balls. The barman promptly produced a hammer from under the bar and invited me to put them on the counter so they could check them out.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Torture? Let's have some proof of that, eh? And water-boarding, loud noises, sleep-deprivation do not count.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, I probably wouldn't last as long a KSM did.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

He reportedly lasted 8 minutes of water-boarding

so if it doesn't 'count' booner, why do you admit you couldn't even last 8 minutes?

^
Semantics.
One man's torture is another masochists pleasure?

To avert another 9/11, it's felt in some circles that water-boarding is an appropriate method of elicting information...