Thread: The Korean Missile Crisis Thread

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

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If you know nothing about how something is done, the internet can be your friend. I

Rick, you had no clue so you googled it. I understand. If you had a clue, you could have posted your own words.

And by what you're saying about Trump, he has as little clue as you.

You seem to have no clue as always. It's all about making the right decisions and having the right people arround you.
Or are you seriously telling us Jimmy Carter the Peanut Farmer had a clue ?

Originally Posted by Neverna

You know there's been a reason why N Korea has been treated with a "light touch" for so long and military threats were not made against them. Seems like Trump hasn't read the manual yet.

Anybody remember how Bush sr. and the Iron Lady were surprised (unpleasantly) when the Berlin Wall was tore down?

Trump and the Missus in UK will not like to get the same surprise from Korea(s).

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by Neverna

You know there's been a reason why N Korea has been treated with a "light touch" for so long and military threats were not made against them. Seems like Trump hasn't read the manual yet.

Anybody remember how Bush sr. and the Iron Lady were surprised (unpleasantly) when the Berlin Wall was tore down?

Trump and the Missus in UK will not like to get the same surprise from Korea(s).

The US and UK are opposed to Korean Reunification?

More like China Inc. has a problema with that

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Anybody remember how Bush sr. and the Iron Lady were surprised (unpleasantly) when the Berlin Wall was tore down?

In fact, few years before it was Ronald Reagen who advised to tear down the wall. However, considering his age that time and his advanced Alzheimer (as confirmed by his son), we do not mind that he had to look on his paper, not to forget the famouse hint.

Mr. Gorbatchov, tear down this wall

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by Neverna

You know there's been a reason why N Korea has been treated with a "light touch" for so long and military threats were not made against them. Seems like Trump hasn't read the manual yet.

Anybody remember how Bush sr. and the Iron Lady were surprised (unpleasantly) when the Berlin Wall was tore down?

Trump and the Missus in UK will not like to get the same surprise from Korea(s).

I would say Bush Sr. was well informed and accepted a gift, which was part of the Berlin Wall.
The Iron Lady was a stubborn non advisable bitch who would have thrown that gift back at the germans.

Originally Posted by Lancelot

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by Neverna

You know there's been a reason why N Korea has been treated with a "light touch" for so long and military threats were not made against them. Seems like Trump hasn't read the manual yet.

Anybody remember how Bush sr. and the Iron Lady were surprised (unpleasantly) when the Berlin Wall was tore down?

Trump and the Missus in UK will not like to get the same surprise from Korea(s).

The US and UK are opposed to Korean Reunification?

More like China Inc. has a problema with that

An even bigger U.S. deficit in the making.

Interesting.

Kim Jong-Un ‘orders IMMEDIATE EVACUATION of Pyongyang’ as tensions with US escalate

Reports in Russian newspaper Pravda Report claim more than 600,000 people - around 25 per cent of the city’s population - are being urgently evacuated, as tensions escalate between North Korea and the United States.

According to South Korean media, residents in the kingdom have said goodbye to each other, sparking concerns the tyrannical leader could be about to act after months of nuclear weapon testing.

Foreign reporters have been told to prepare for a “big and important event" on North Korea's biggest national celebration, called ‘Day of the Sun’.

A tweet from Channel NewsAsia’s Beijing Correspondent Jeremy Koh said: “We’ve been told to be ready to move out at 6.20am, but no idea why. Also, no cell phones allowed.”

More than 200 foreign journalists are in Pyongyang as the country marks the 105th birthday of its founding president Kim Il Sung on April 15.

Officials in North Korea have already warned nuclear war could break out at any minute thanks to the "extremely tense" situation on the Korean Peninsula.

The US sent a navy strike group towards the Western Pacific in a show of force, with North Korea retorting with warnings of a nuclear attack in retaliation to any show of aggression.

Kim Jong-Un ?orders IMMEDIATE EVACUATION of Pyongyang? | World | News | Express.co.uk

^ None of the mainstream (yes, that includes Fox) have repeated the story.....

So are you saying that the story is not true?

Folks, something may be going on. And perhaps dropping the MOAB bomb in Afghanistan was needed but also sending another message to NK.

EXCLUSIVE NEWS APR 13 2017
U.S. May Launch Strike If North Korea Reaches For Nuclear Trigger
by WILLIAM M. ARKIN, CYNTHIA MCFADDEN and KENZI ABOU-SABE


The U.S. is prepared to launch a preemptive strike with conventional weapons against North Korea should officials become convinced that North Korea is about to follow through with a nuclear weapons test, multiple senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

U.S. May Launch Strike If North Korea Reaches For Nuclear Trigger - NBC News

Good lord. The US regime has become very belligerent under it's new leader.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Good lord. The US regime has become very belligerent under it's new leader.

The NK issue will have to be dealt with sooner than later with KJU and future ICBMs.

Here is a piece of the Pravda article I posted above.

An additional has been added to the Carrier fleet going to NK and it has 156 Tomahawk cruise missiles among other things.

It was also said that one modified Ohio type rocket carrier carrying 154 Tomahawk type missiles on board joined the US Navy deployed near the coast of the Korean Peninsula. The missile carrier is expected to arrive at the port of registration on April 18. - See more at: North Korea readies for war? Kim Jong-un orders evacuation of Pyongyang - PravdaReport

North Korea readies for war? Kim Jong-un orders evacuation of Pyongyang - PravdaReport


The article notes, as we know, that Seoul will likely be attacked and Seoul has about 25 million people.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

The article notes, as we know, that Seoul will likely be attacked and Seoul has about 25 million people.

And don't forget the US troops stationed in South Korea. Nice targets for NK to aim at if Trump the dummy attacks NK.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Folks, something may be going on. And perhaps dropping the MOAB bomb in Afghanistan was needed but also sending another message to NK.

These messages cannot be intercepted by Wikileaks, can they?

USA, a nuclear threat or not? Or just a conventional threat?

Donald Trump 'backs himself into corner' after threatening North Korea with military action over nuclear tests

Donald Trump may have “backed himself into a corner” by threatening North Korea with military action over its weapons tests, experts have warned.
Kim Jong-un watched what appeared to be new inter-continental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) roll through Pyongyang as part of a huge show of force on Saturday, just two days after the US President vowed to “properly deal” with his government.


There was no sign of a sixth nuclear test on the symbolic Day of the Sun, which marks his grandfather’s birthday, but analysts believe a major new launch could be imminent.


China is among the countries urging both North Korea and the US to de-escalate the situation as an American strike group headed by a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier heads towards the region.


John Nilsson-Wright, a senior research fellow for North East Asia at Chatham House, said the deployment put Mr Trump in a difficult position.
He told The Independent President may have “boxed himself into a corner” by vowing not to tolerate any more violations from North Korea when the country has so far been undeterred by the international community.


“If it does carry out more testing, how does he spin this to his own people?” Dr Nilsson-Wright asked, saying Mr Trump may have been made overconfident by support for high profile strikes in Afghanistan and Syria.


“A show of force has to be credible and the situation is so precarious on the Korean Peninsula that it’s hard for that to happen.”


Donald Trump 'backs himself into corner' after threatening North Korea with military action over nuclear tests | The Independent

They've heard it all before. A view from Japan.


U.S.-Korean war hype rings hollow as verbal jousting continues

Worries about a potential military conflict continue to rise on the Korean Peninsula as Pyongyang declares it is ready to conduct another nuclear weapons test at any time and the USS Carl Vinson strike group steams toward waters off North Korea.

U.S. officials continue to assert that “all options are on the table,” which presumably includes a pre-emptive strike. In response, in an interview Friday, North Korean Vice Minister Han Song Ryol said “we will go to war if they choose.”

In public, officials in Tokyo have welcomed Washington’s tough stance. But in private, reactions are mixed.

Japanese officials affirm that attacking North Korea is easier said than done, and the senior officials do not appear to seriously believe Washington will soon launch a military strike against Pyongyang. At least for now.

“The situation is not like that,” a senior Japanese government official said Friday when asked whether Tokyo needs to start preparing to evacuate Japanese residents from South Korea.

Tokyo has asked Washington not to attack the North without prior consultation, partly because the estimated 57,000 Japanese there will need to be evacuated should war ever break out, government sources said.

Washington has largely agreed to that request, the sources said.

As of Saturday, Japan had not issued any warnings to nationals in or traveling to South Korea, although “numerous” Japanese had contacted the Foreign Ministry to ask how serious the security situation on the peninsula really is, they said.

Meanwhile, NBC news has reported that the U.S. is prepared to launch a pre-emptive strike against North Korea should Washington become convinced it is about to hold a nuclear test.

But a high-ranking Japanese official said he had not heard about the decision, although Tokyo is staying in close communication with Washington.

When asked if the report was “over-hyped,” the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, answered in the affirmative.

“We know the situation is tense. But you need to calmly watch and analyze the situation at a time like this,” the official said.

Attacking North Korea is a horrific option because it would likely trigger a second Korean War and result in the deaths of large numbers of U.S. and South Korean troops and civilians and probably drag Japan into the conflict.

Seoul is not far from the heavily fortified border with North Korea, and Pyongyang is ready to destroy Seoul — home to about 10 million people — at any time.

In 1994, when dealing with the first Korean nuclear crisis, U.S. President Bill Clinton seriously considered using the military option on North Korea.

But he shied away from the idea after reviewing the stunning results of computer simulations carried out by the U.S. military and the Department of Defense. The computers projected 30,000 American and 450,000 South Korean military casualties from a major conflict.

Another Pentagon estimate showed that a second Korean War would kill or wound 1 million civilians and devastate the South’s economy to the tune of at least $1 trillion, according to “Going Critical,” a 2004 book co-authored by Joel Wit, Daniel Poneman and Robert Gallucci.

In the 2000s, the administration of former U.S. President George W. Bush continued negotiating with Pyongyang. According to Bush’s memoir, Bush warned Chinese President Jiang Zemin in February 2003 that he “would have to consider a military strike against North Korea” if China and the U.S. could not solve the North Korean problem diplomatically.

But in fact, according to Bush’s secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, in her 2011 memoir “No Higher Honor,” he never seriously considered the military option, given the amount of damage Seoul would suffer if war broke out on the peninsula again.

“The military option against Pyongyang was not a good one; it was fraught with unintended consequences and the near-certainty of significant damage to Seoul,” she wrote.

“Kim Jong-il maintains missile batteries whose projectiles can reach South Korea’s capital city in a very short period of time … President Bush and his advisers did not seriously consider military action,” she wrote.

Indeed, the U.S. now may be just repeating the same rhetoric the Bush administration used all those years ago.

In a January 2003 meeting, Bush warned Jiang that if North Korea’s nuclear weapons program continued, he “would not be able to stop Japan” from developing its own nuclear weapons.

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson offered a similar warning about a nuclear-armed Japan during a media interview on March 18.

On Friday, The Associated Press quoted an anonymous U.S. military official as saying the U.S. does not intend to use military force against North Korea in response to either a nuclear test or a missile launch.

However, plans could change in the unlikely event that a North Korean missile targets South Korean, Japanese or U.S. territory, the official was also quoted as saying.

U.S.-Korean war hype rings hollow as verbal jousting continues | The Japan Times

In all the news and the reports I have read North Korea has never threatened anything other than to retaliate if attached.

The fact that they have nukes and possibly missiles to launch them makes any "Retaliation" potentially far more devastating than any time in the past.

Coupled with an attack by the US it is probable that millions would die and destruction would be widespread for once a (preemptive) attack was carried out and retaliation begun the US would not be able to stop without allowing the south to be overrun by the north's formidable fighting force :

North Korea Military Strength

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Good article and it pretty much explains the situation today. As I previously stated, the carrier assault force is there to act as a body guard to SK and Japan. It also allows the US some options just in case Fat Boy goes crazy and launches anything against those two allies. The primary mission of the carrier task force was never to just go in and attack NK without provocation.

A crazy, insecure narcissist with a terrible haircut and access to nuclear weapons is a serious threat to world peace.

Hello Neverna. :-)

Originally Posted by rickrainbowshopper

Hello Neverna. :-)

I'm not gay, Rickshopper. And for sure you would not be my type. Sorry about that.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Good lord. The US regime has become very belligerent under it's new leader.

Lord Donald.
American warrior.