Thread: Intellectual Hypocricy! The Finkelstein story.

Originally Posted by sabang

^ I doubt you know much about Chomsky then kerux. Just because he is not a grand conspiracy theorist does not make him a fraud.
Considering he is often called 'the most important intellectual alive in the world today', I don't think I'll bother saying more.

I may know more about Chomsky than you think, which is why I label him a fraud. How many people approve of someone or something has little to do with what I think of the subject.

It appears Chomsky has good reason to divert attention from the truth of 9/11:

"My research suggests that CAI - the Teachers ('TIAA-CREF') private equity group - and MIT faculty members, including Noam Chomsky, John Deutch, Paul Gray and Charles Vest, used the online resources and knowledge of MIT Center to coordinate multiple acts of arbitrage, sabotage and fraud linked to the 'al-Qaeda' attacks of 9/11.

Some research findings in support of my allegations can be found at the archive site below. http://valis.cjb.cc/HawksCAFE/"

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum."
- Noam Chomsky

"That's an internet theory and it's hopelessly implausible. Hopelessly implausible. So hopelessly implausible I don't see any point in talking about it."
- Noam Chomsky, at a FAIR event at New York's Town Hall, 22 January 2002, in response to a question from the audience about US government foreknowledge of 9/11. At that time, 9/11 investigators had already presented substantial documented evidence for: prior warnings, Air Force stand-down, anomalous insider trading connected to CIA, cover-up of the domestic anthrax attacks, inconsistencies in identities & timelines of "hijackers", US connections to al Qaeda in Balkans, a Pak ISI-al Qaeda funding connection, etc etc etc.

And with this being a thread on Finkelstein, I'll stop with Chomsky there.

I think you meant to say 'exposing the lies of Joan Peters', Kerux.

I've been off the forum for a while and you're still spouting generalisations that do nothing more than expose your own racism.

It's boring, shallow, and shows you can't debate anything in a reasonable way.

I guess you missed my post where I posted Finkelstein's books:



From a reviewer:

The thrust of Professor Finkelstein's unsettling book is that powerful interests (Israel and Jewish organizations in America) have hijacked what has become known as the holocaust. And while Israel has exploited the holocaust as a weapon to deflect criticism, regardless how justified, American Jewish organizations have used the plight of supposedly needy survivors to extort staggering sums of money from the rest of the world. This was done not for the benefit of survivors, but for the financial advantage of these organizations.



And then there's Finkelstein's exposure of Dirtbag Dershowitz's book:

"Mr. Dershowitz has concocted a fraud. In fact Mr. Dershowitz has concocted a fraud which amazingly in large parts, he plagiarized from another fraud. I found that pretty shocking, shocking coming from a Harvard professor. I find it shocking coming from any professor." --Professor Norman Finkelstein

Finkelstein: Dershowitz's New Israel Book A 'Hoax'

Is that specific enough for you? And your claim that I'm racist is so far out in right field that even the beer swilling unemployed bleacher sitting regulars don't know you exist. Why don't you try a little objectivity in your thinking? Or is that too difficult for you?

Like I said:

The reason Finkelstein is being attacked is precisely because he is so effective in exposing the lies of the Zionists.

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by kerux

And while Israel has exploited the holocaust as a weapon to deflect criticism, regardless how justified, American Jewish organizations have used the plight of supposedly needy survivors to extort staggering sums of money from the rest of the world. This was done not for the benefit of survivors, but for the financial advantage of these organizations.

Oh dear! Which holocaust is this Kerux?

The one that you and IA vehemently deny ever occurred?

That is a bit weak, using something that you deny happening, as an argument when it suits you.

Sorry Lilypad, that was Finkelstein who said that, or at least that's what the reviewer you quoted thought Finkelstein said. Remember Finkelstein's jewish. And the Holocaust didn't actually have to happen for the 'victims' to extort billions, as there are plenty of suckers like you around will believe whatever the Jews tell you, whether it happened or not.

Unlike yourself, Finkelstein is not a holocaust denier, you are cherry-picking his work to suit your racist hate-agenda.

Yes, Finkelstein is Jewish, kerux. The irony seems to have escaped you. What is the title of this topic?

This article is dated 26 June 2007, from the Tehran Times of all papers.

They state Finkelstein is still an Assistant Professor too- that is amazing. The climate of academic censorship and suppression in the States has gone well beyond a joke. If this sort of thing were happening in the UK, you'd be reading about it on the front pages.

I recently read about a Mossad front in Turkey, a news bureau or something. It's job is to put together disinformation, ie trumped up or exaggerated stories to suit Israels agenda, then feed them back to the Israeli and western media under the veneer of legitimacy afforded by being from a Bureau in a Moslem country with an Arabic name. When you look at it, the "Joan Peters" book was no different.

So why -
1- Can you still buy the 'Joan Peters' Since Time Immemorial book in US bookstores? It is a hoax.
2- Has it never been divulged what actual person or people (more likely) were behind this book? Plenty of people must know. I know that it is rumoured to be a Mossad involved job.
3- Is Finkelstein being treated in this blatantly unfair manner? Is it a crime for an intellectual to expose a hoax?
4- Can you not buy Finkelsteins books in the States? You either have to go to radical or obscure academic bookshops, or order it off the net?
5- Do next to no people actually know about this? It is remarkable for a scholar of this calibre to be denied tenure, and to still be an Assistant Professor at an obscure university. But noone is saying anything to the Public.

This suppression of the truth, and persecution of the truthteller, has much more in common with Fascism than it does with Democracy. It proves that academic freedom and integrity in the US is a joke, at least where Middle Eastern issues are concerned. The USA in this regard has more in common with Hitlers Germany or Mussolini's Italy than it does with the true western democracies, I am indeed sorry to say.

"The Finkelstein principle"

By Abukar Arman
June 26, 2007
"Just like all other actions, speaking the truth has its reaction and indeed price.

A few months ago, I was honored to join two Middle East experts -- Professor John Mueller and Professor John Quigley -- in a panel discussion on Jimmy Carter’s “controversial” book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.
As I, a small-time writer, was franticly searching for material to make me sound halfway intelligent, I came across numerous articles, essays, and reviews that offered little or no refutation of the content of the book and instead focused on the author’s alleged “anti-Semitic” motive.
Leading that ad hominem campaign was none other than Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard. No surprise there, as the longtime “civil libertarian” has lately turned into a blatant advocate of legalizing torture, executing collective punishment, and sustaining the brutal subjugation of the Palestinian people.
As I continued my search, I was distracted by a profoundly more caustic campaign of character assassination by Dershowitz and company aimed at Assistant Professor Norman Finkelstein of DePaul.
I must confess I became more intrigued when I discovered that the latter, albeit being attacked for “anti-Semitic” and “bigoted” views, happens to be the son of two holocaust survivors.
Dershowitz has been on this case for several years. And according to the New York Times, in recent years he has lobbied professors, alumni, and the administration of DePaul, a Roman Catholic university in Chicago, to deny Finkelstein tenure -- a campaign that many faculty members at DePaul and elsewhere said has used “heavy-handed tactics”. This to them could not be dismissed as an isolated episode of the incivility of modern politics. So what is the impetus of this ferocious animosity?
Apparently Finkelstein simply did the unthinkable -- he dared to set the truth in motion. And, in a time of universal deceit, as George Orwell said, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Like Carter, Finkelstein surrendered to his conscience and decided to swim against the political tides. He criticized Israel for its brutal treatment of the stateless Palestinians. In his scholarly research he also exposed how the Zionists have exploited “anti-Semitism” (a real racist phenomenon) to camouflage the atrocities committed by Israel and how the holocaust tragedy has been exploited and turned into a “lucrative industry”.
Anyone who has read his books or perhaps saw Finkelstein recently on the Doha Debates -- one of the premiere debate forums moderated by Tim Sebastian, former host of the BBC’s HardTalk -- as he lucidly argued in favor of the motion “This house believes the pro-Israel lobby has successfully stifled Western debate about Israel’s actions” could see why Dershowitz and company would go down as low as defaming Finkelstein’s mother.
In that debate, Finkelstein came across as someone who has reconciled with the fact that he will have to sacrifice a great deal as he fights this lonely and fateful battle. He was hardly uncomfortable referring to himself as the oldest untenured assistant professor.
And though those who campaigned to block his tenure accuse him of academic deficiency, a great number of his peers express other views. They scream foul and argue that Finkelstein is being politically persecuted for his intellectual views. Professor Avi Shlaim of Oxford University, a world-renowned scholar and author of many books, delivered this passionate appeal in a recent interview: “Israel has no immunity to criticism, moral immunity to criticism, because of the holocaust. Israel… should be judged by the same standards as any other… And Norman Finkelstein is a very serious critic and a very well-informed critic and hard-hitting critic of Israeli practices in the occupation and dispossession of the Palestinians.” He said Finkelstein has made “…an important contribution to the study of Zionism, to the study of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and, in particular, to the study of American attitudes towards Israel and towards the Middle East.” To Shlaim it is important to separate “questions of anti-Semitism from critique of Israel”. And presenting himself as an example, he said, “I am critical of Israel as a scholar, and anti-Semitism just doesn’t come into it. My view is that the blind supporters of Israel -- and there are many of them in America, in particular -- use the charge of anti-Semitism to try to silence legitimate criticism of Israeli practices. I regard this as moral blackmail.” Echoing a similar sentiment, a letter of support signed by hundreds of Finkelstein’s peers had this to say: “To challenge the status quo of Zionist historiography in the U.S., as Finkelstein has done in his scholarship, most certainly ignites controversy; but his ability to address the subject with thorough documented evidence that encourages readers to see the subject of Palestine and Israel anew is precisely why scholars around the world value his work.” In response to the news of his denial of tenure, he unapologetically reiterated his principled, indeed inspirational stand by saying: “They can deny me tenure, deny me the right to teach. But they will never stop me from saying what I believe.” In an era when intellectual freedom is routinely suppressed, and at a time when people of good character and moral integrity have become the unprotected endangered species, here comes Finkelstein walking self-assuredly like a mammoth of moral rectitude."

Why do we only read about this in the Tehran Times?
What else is your government, media, intellectual establishment hiding from you??

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