Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

He doesn't actually seem to realise that they are searching underwater this time.

CLARK: They will start the search now again in the Southern Ocean, but look at what they had there: The Russians, the Chinese, the British, the Australians, the Malaysians. They had so many aircraft there that at one point, they had to bring in a separate aircraft to control their movements, so they didn't bump into each other. And still, nothing. Now, months later, they are gonna start again, but they couldn't find anything with all these entities before. This is very strange.

He is very senile.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Do you know him personally, harry?

Before I answer that, do you think it has any bearing on the rambling interview he gave?

None at all.

You just bumped against him sometime, then.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

He doesn't actually seem to realise that they are searching underwater this time.

CLARK: They will start the search now again in the Southern Ocean, but look at what they had there: The Russians, the Chinese, the British, the Australians, the Malaysians. They had so many aircraft there that at one point, they had to bring in a separate aircraft to control their movements, so they didn't bump into each other. And still, nothing. Now, months later, they are gonna start again, but they couldn't find anything with all these entities before. This is very strange.

He is very senile.

From the above (attributed to Clark), how do you infer that he's senile?

Originally Posted by ENT

Latrinedancer's lost the plot again.

Very funny L/D's post eh ENT


Fookin spot on as well.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

He doesn't actually seem to realise that they are searching underwater this time.

CLARK: They will start the search now again in the Southern Ocean, but look at what they had there: The Russians, the Chinese, the British, the Australians, the Malaysians. They had so many aircraft there that at one point, they had to bring in a separate aircraft to control their movements, so they didn't bump into each other. And still, nothing. Now, months later, they are gonna start again, but they couldn't find anything with all these entities before. This is very strange.

He is very senile.

From the above (attributed to Clark), how do you infer that he's senile?

Er.... because aircraft can't view deep subsea terrain?

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Do you know him personally, harry?

Before I answer that, do you think it has any bearing on the rambling interview he gave?

None at all.

You just bumped against him sometime, then.

So it was a pointless question then.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Do you know him personally, harry?

Before I answer that, do you think it has any bearing on the rambling interview he gave?

None at all.

You just bumped against him sometime, then.

So it was a pointless question then.

Again, not at all.

So you don't know the man.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

He doesn't actually seem to realise that they are searching underwater this time.

CLARK: They will start the search now again in the Southern Ocean, but look at what they had there: The Russians, the Chinese, the British, the Australians, the Malaysians. They had so many aircraft there that at one point, they had to bring in a separate aircraft to control their movements, so they didn't bump into each other. And still, nothing. Now, months later, they are gonna start again, but they couldn't find anything with all these entities before. This is very strange.

He is very senile.

From the above (attributed to Clark), how do you infer that he's senile?

Er.... because aircraft can't view deep subsea terrain?

Who inferred that?

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Latindancer

May have been disabled by fire; I still reckon it was all due to a fire in the nose wheel well.

If there had been a fire it wouldn't have taken more than a few seconds for the pilot to radio an alert to air traffic control, just as standard procedure in an emergency, then proceed, which is what didn't happen.

Not if it started as a smouldering type of fire, which baked and destroyed electrics BEFORE the pilot knew there was a fire.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Latindancer

May have been disabled by fire; I still reckon it was all due to a fire in the nose wheel well.

If there had been a fire it wouldn't have taken more than a few seconds for the pilot to radio an alert to air traffic control, just as standard procedure in an emergency, then proceed, which is what didn't happen.

Not if it started as a smouldering type of fire, which baked and destroyed electrics BEFORE the pilot knew there was a fire.

A smouldering fire emits far more smoke than flames do, and would have been smelled by the crew.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

He doesn't actually seem to realise that they are searching underwater this time.

CLARK: They will start the search now again in the Southern Ocean, but look at what they had there: The Russians, the Chinese, the British, the Australians, the Malaysians. They had so many aircraft there that at one point, they had to bring in a separate aircraft to control their movements, so they didn't bump into each other. And still, nothing. Now, months later, they are gonna start again, but they couldn't find anything with all these entities before. This is very strange.

He is very senile.

From the above (attributed to Clark), how do you infer that he's senile?

Er.... because aircraft can't view deep subsea terrain?

Who inferred that?

What are you on about?

Do you know the difference between "inferred" and "implied"?

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Do you know him personally, harry?

Before I answer that, do you think it has any bearing on the rambling interview he gave?

None at all.

You just bumped against him sometime, then.

So it was a pointless question then.

Again, not at all.

So you don't know the man.

You just said it had no bearing on the rambling interview yet you don't think it's a pointless question?

Have you forgotten to take your meds today, you seem to be a little confused.

^ Indeed he is.

Originally Posted by ENT

A smouldering fire emits far more smoke than flames do, and would have been smelled by the crew.

(Groan) I'd like to point something out here :

The nose wheel well houses the nose wheel and this is OUTSIDE the plane. Smoke generated here would not be smelt by crew INSIDE.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

^He's been in the Aviation business since 1972, so i'm sure he would know a bit about aircraft.

He's a bean counter, and clearly not an avionics expert. Anyone that would advocate isolating a piece of electrical equipment from the pilots on a commercial aircraft needs their head examined.

His big claim to fame is growing Emirates into a massive international airline, which frankly when it's subsidised to the hilt is hardly difficult.

Which is how a useless numpty like James Hogan has done the same thing at Etihad.

And I've met him plenty of times. Trust me, he knows jack shit about aircraft electronics, too.

So you met him plenty of times?

Originally Posted by Latindancer

^ Indeed he is.

Originally Posted by ENT

A smouldering fire emits far more smoke than flames do, and would have been smelled by the crew.

(Groan) I'd like to point something out here :

The nose wheel well houses the nose wheel and this is OUTSIDE the plane. Smoke generated here would not be smelt by crew INSIDE.

You've got to be kidding!

Then how does a fire which is outside of the plane burn wiring in the avionics bay?

Further, the nose wheel bay isn't outside the plane, but in the nose cone, isolated from the avionics bay.



Nose wheel bay.






Relative positions of nose wheel bay, avionics bay and flight deck in a Boeing.

"One can really see the very forward stowing position of the nose landing gear, the avionics/equipment bay above and behind it and then the freight compartment. The gear goes that far forward in order to utilize the the lower part of the fuselage as efficiently as possible . Also watch where the floor goes for the cockpit, those pilots only occupy the top part of the nose, the aircraft is really big but those ultra large cockpit windows makes one think the pilots uses half of the diameter or more."

Airliners.net forum: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 6

So a tire fire would be toasting the pilot's feet before it got anywhere near avionics.
Also, it doesn't require the pilots to notice the fire, all sorts of temperature and smoke detectors in the plane.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

^He's been in the Aviation business since 1972, so i'm sure he would know a bit about aircraft.

He's a bean counter, and clearly not an avionics expert. Anyone that would advocate isolating a piece of electrical equipment from the pilots on a commercial aircraft needs their head examined.

His big claim to fame is growing Emirates into a massive international airline, which frankly when it's subsidised to the hilt is hardly difficult.

Which is how a useless numpty like James Hogan has done the same thing at Etihad.

And I've met him plenty of times. Trust me, he knows jack shit about aircraft electronics, too.

So you met him plenty of times?

Yes, plenty of times. Before his Emirates "rise to fame".

And what you call a senile man rose to fame building Emirates.

Doesn't sound very senile to me.

You do though.

Originally Posted by ENT

And what you call a senile man rose to fame building Emirates.

Doesn't sound very senile to me.

You do though.

He didn't build Emirates, Maurice Flanagan did.

And he isn't the CEO of Emirates either. He reports to Shaikh Ahmed.

Ok...I retract what I said about a fire in the nose wheel well not being able to emit smoke into the plane. That was just my guess.

Here is something more more credible. It mostly fits : A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet | WIRED


And don't laugh at the model plane here; just listen to the commentary :

An old theory now which I doubt credible, a fire would likely have left some visible clues in the shape of debris or wreckage. As yet there is no sign of the plane so one might with good reason conclude it is still in one piece at the bottom of the sea.

Sloppy thinking, Ronin. No-one is saying that it went up in a great conflagration. Just that there was a fire in the nose wheel well that knocked out the electronics, the pilots and passengers.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Sloppy thinking, Ronin. No-one is saying that it went up in a great conflagration. Just that there was a fire in the nose wheel well that knocked out the electronics, the pilots and passengers.

Your post really is bullshit, your the one with sloppy thinking as usual; if there was a fire in the nose wheel that was capable of knocking out the pilots and passengers it would without one shadow of a doubt been detected well before it got to that stage. Without doubt there would have been a mayday call but there wasn't. Do you know how many sensors there are in the wheel bays and how many indications there are on the control panel? Obviously not! I never said it went up in a 'great conflagration' only that it if it had been damaged by fire some evidence would have been left. To date no evidence of where exactly the plane went down so it is most likely in one piece!

Bit touchy today Ronin, aren't we ?

You said :

Originally Posted by Ronin

a fire would likely have left some visible clues in the shape of debris or wreckage.

How would a fire in the nose wheel well later create debris or wreckage ? Only a large conflagration would do that.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Bit touchy today Ronin, aren't we ?

He doesn't get out of the Twat thread much...Gotta defend his wannabe warrior status...