Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

Originally Posted by ENT

This is just your usual style of refutation,...shoot the messenger, the last resort of an imbecile.

What's to refute? You for posting the garbage, or the cretin that wrote it?

Originally Posted by ENT

Like the Malaysian government, CIA, FBI and MI6.

If they knew . . . we would all know by now

Authorities, who soon plan to scale back the air and surface search, are confident they know the approximate position of wreckage of the Boeing 777, some 1,550 km (960 miles) northwest of Perth, and are moving ahead on the basis of four acoustic signals they believe are from its black box recorders.

But having not heard a "ping" for almost a week and with the batteries on the locator beacons two weeks past their 30-day expected life, the slow-moving "autonomous underwater vehicle" was launched on Monday to try and locate wreckage.

"The AUV takes six times longer to cover the same area as the towed pinger locator. It is estimated that it will take the AUV anywhere from six weeks to two months to scan the entire search area," Lt. J.G. Daniel S. Marciniak, a spokesman for the U.S. Seventh Fleet, said in a statement.

From its aborted first mission, the Bluefin-21 produced six hours of data which authorities analysed to find no objects of interest, Marciniak added. The drone was expected to embark on its second search mission late on Tuesday.

The robot, which takes two hours to descend another two to return to the surface, as well as several hours to download data, will build up a detailed acoustic image of the area using sophisticated "sidescan" sonar. It hopes to repeat its success in finding a F-15 fighter jet which crashed off Japan last year.

It is capable of spending up to 16 hours scouring the sea floor. If it detects possible wreckage, it will be sent back to photograph it in underwater conditions with extremely low light.

Officials are focusing their acoustic search on an area equivalent to a medium-sized city - 600 sq km (230 sq miles). But the much broader search area off the Australian coast covers about 60,000 sq km, according to the government.

Missing flight MH370: undersea drone hunt may 'take months' - Independent.ie

Hands up who believes the Malaysians wouldn't do anything to hide a pilot suicide?

Interest that they are essentially admitting the many people already don't trust them.

Baseless To Blame Malaysia - Hishammuddin

KUALA LUMPUR, April 15 (Bernama) -- Acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein said today it was baseless to blame Malaysia for the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Flight MH370, which was an unprecedented incident.

Asked if Malaysia had shared its sensitive military information with the aviation authorities when flight MH370 disappeared on March 8, he said there was nothing to benchmark the incident against.

"You are looking so far back when we are already looking at narrowing down a specific phase of our search and recovery operation. And, it's unfortunate that we are still speculating on matters, which is not looking forward.

"What I want to do with the formation of the ministerial committees as well as the international investigation panel to be tabled to the cabinet in next few days is to address all these issues," he told reporters at a press conference held at Putra World Trade Centre here.

He said it was important right now to look forward and move to the next phase of the search and not back-petal by trying to put the blame on Malaysia.

Hishammuddin said that the information would be forthcoming once the aircraft and its black box were found.

Asked on why Attorney-General Tan Sri Gani Patail was currently in the United Kingdom to discuss on the black box ownership and whether there was any legal implication, he said that the cabinet had direct the former to look at it, especially as 26 countries were involved in the search mission.

"So we have diplomatic and legal challenges, we got next-of-kin and that is why we have established these (three ministries) committees so that these responsibilities could be divided among those with the opportunities to get the best expert advice," he said.

Hishammuddin said his main concern was to find the truth and personally felt that it was not important who had custody on the black box.

"It is about finding the truth and to do what we have to reveal what is in the black box," he said.

On reports that an American lawyer showed up at the home of the passengers' families, Hishammuddin said such reports were worrying and advised the families concerned to inform the relevant authorities so that it could be dealt accordingly.

On another note, he said an international investigation team would be set up, comprising the Transport, Defence and Foreign Affairs ministries' committees, led by their three deputy ministers and the memorandum to be presented to the Malaysian cabinet, probably, by next week.

"Deputy Foreign Minister Datuk Hamzah Zainuddin will look into various issues relating to the next-of-kin of Flight MH370's passengers, Deputy Transport Minister Datuk Aziz Kaprawi will oversee the terms of references of international teams and technicalities of the investigations while Datuk Abdul Rahim Bakri will supervise and monitor the deployment of search assets to locate the aircraft," he said.

On April 5, Hishammuddin announced the formation of an international investigation team and three ministerial committees to probe and coordinate the case of flight MH370 that has been missing for more than a month.

There are an airworthiness group that will examine maintenance records, structures and systems; an operations group that will examine flight recorders, operations and meteorology as well as a medical and human factors group that will look at psychology, pathology and survival factors.

-- BERNAMA

BERNAMA - Baseless To Blame Malaysia - Hishammuddin

^ Many people don't trust many governments so what?

Originally Posted by Ronin

^ Many people don't trust many governments so what?

That is entirely plausible - but it's the governments not trusting them that's the surprise - the wording of diplomatic "challenges" caught my eye. And the fact that they have someone in the UK discussing "black box ownership".

Doesn't make you curious?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

That is entirely plausible - but it's the governments not trusting them that's the surprise - the wording of diplomatic "challenges" caught my eye. And the fact that they have someone in the UK discussing "black box ownership".

Doesn't make you curious?

Not really, politicians, diplomats and others like to poke their noses in, in order to appear they are doing something to help. There is or maybe that age old feeling of western superiority which may or not be justified. I doubt that it amounts to much. As for 'black box ownership', that is hardly as important as the data within since hopefully it will reveal the truth. Not saying your wrong but again who really knows? In this instance I mean the people outside their circle of course.

Originally Posted by Ronin

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

That is entirely plausible - but it's the governments not trusting them that's the surprise - the wording of diplomatic "challenges" caught my eye. And the fact that they have someone in the UK discussing "black box ownership".

Doesn't make you curious?

Not really, politicians, diplomats and others like to poke their noses in, in order to appear they are doing something to help. There is or maybe that age old feeling of western superiority which may or not be justified. I doubt that it amounts to much. As for 'black box ownership', that is hardly as important as the data within since hopefully it will reveal the truth. Not saying your wrong but again who really knows? In this instance I mean the people outside their circle of course.

My point is that it's interesting that governments and the next of kin feel the need to make *any* kind of "challenge" - it implies that they've already made their minds up that that the Malaysian government cannot be trusted to reveal everything on the recorder(s) if it shows them in a bad light.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

On the other hand, who knows what China's role was in this? It could be they were very involved (from the start, even the disappearance) and the "outrage" at the Malaysian Government was merely a smokescreen, as was the 'intensive effort' to 'find' the plane. Just another possibility of many

One that would require someone on the plane to do what looked like pilot suicide and an attempt at hiding the plane's final resting place?

My question would be: What would the Chinese get out of it that they would perpetrate such an act?

And please don't look up the answer on one of ENT's Looney Tunes websites.

Australian search officials may need to use a different underwater vehicle to scan the ocean floor for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight, after the first submersible mission was cut short because the ocean floor appears to be more than 4,500m deep.

The head of Australia’s joint coordination centre, Angus Houston, announced on Monday that the Australian defence vessel Ocean Shield would no longer be using the towed pinger to attempt to locate noises from the black box of flight MH370 and would instead deploy a remote submersible, the Bluefin-21, to continue the search.

But the submersible’s mission was cut short after it exceeded the limits of its operation - 4,500m below sea level - and was forced to return to the surface, according to a release from the centre on Tuesday morning.

“After completing around six hours of its mission, Bluefin-21 exceeded its operating depth limit of 4,500 metres and its built in safety feature returned it to the surface,” the release said.

“The six hours of data gathered by the autonomous underwater vehicle is currently being extracted and analysed.”

The release indicates the water may be deeper than has been previously thought. On Monday Mark Matthews, the United States navy captain who oversees the use of the Bluefin-21, told Guardian Australia that if the vehicle exceeded its limits more than once it would no longer work.

“It could probably go down further than that once, but it wouldn’t be functional after that,” he said.

MH370: search may need new drone after first mission is aborted | World news | theguardian.com

There is more than one 'plausible theory' but none as yet have been proven or otherwise. In addition the previously thought impossible/unlikely may have happened (e.g. I once flew in a British Airways Chinook Helicopter, one of those with two rotors. it was thought they were unlikely to crash but one did).

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

^
But why fly all the way down to the Southern Indian ocean? He could just taken a dive into the Gulf of Thailand.

It seems the plane flew on until it ran out of fuel which suggests to me that there may have been nobody controlling it by the end.

To hide the evidence of his crime? Preserve his reputation? Keep the life insurance?

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Accepting that I really cannot come up with anything else than pilot suicide, weird as it is.

But it's not that weird, is it? There have been at least three cases of it in recent years.

Hundreds if you count non-commercial aircraft.

Originally Posted by Ronin

There is more than one 'plausible theory' but none as yet have been proven or otherwise. In addition the previously thought impossible/unlikely may have happened (e.g. I once flew in a British Airways Chinook Helicopter, one of those with two rotors. it was thought they were unlikely to crash but one did).

Granted the loss of communication, switching off of ACARS and the transponder, and the change of flight path that just happened to be through areas of minimum radar coverage could be just another, for want of a better example, "magic bullet".

But Occam's Razor normally applies, except in the minds of tin foil farkwits who see conspiracies at every turn.

The search for a Malaysia Airlines jetliner deep in the Indian Ocean was again cut short on Wednesday when technical problems forced a U.S. Navy underwater drone to surface without finding anything, officials said.

While a massive air and sea search for missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 is continuing almost 2,000 kilometres off the coast of Perth, hopes have been pinned on the Bluefin-21 autonomous underwater vehicle finding the first concrete sign of the plane in more than six weeks of hunting.

A unspecified technical problem meant the Bluefin resurfaced early on Wednesday and analysis of the sonar data downloaded showed no significant detections, the Australian agency leading the search said.

It has subsequently been relaunched to continue its search.

The drone was forced to end its first deployment early on Monday after it exceeded its 4.5 kilomtere depth limit in the remote stretch of ocean where search authorities believe the jetliner crashed after its disappearance on March 8 with 239 people on board.
Malaysia Airlines MH370: underwater search cut short again - World - CBC News

You guys need to quit sucking on the mainstream media tit. The Sunday Sport has already solved this one-


And they've even got pictures, so it MUST be true!!!

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Accepting that I really cannot come up with anything else than pilot suicide, weird as it is.

But it's not that weird, is it?

You're kidding!

Harry, are you right wing conspiracy geeks claiming that the pilot somehow conspired or plotted with or without persons unknown to commit suicide when he in fact showed a remarkable desire to LIVE by escaping from any observers?

Originally Posted by ENT

The primary evidence of the plane making highly complex manoeuvres, some 19 minutes after switching off the transponder indicates that the pilot involved couldn't give a hoot about his reputation or insurance money.

The only thing the pilot was doing was desperately trying to get away to somewhere, another destination, not a crash into the sea without being observed.

What rubbish. It shows he was attempting to hide the eventual destination of the aircraft.

And let's face it, he did a pretty good job.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

The primary evidence of the plane making highly complex manoeuvres, some 19 minutes after switching off the transponder indicates that the pilot involved couldn't give a hoot about his reputation or insurance money.

The only thing the pilot was doing was desperately trying to get away to somewhere, another destination, not a crash into the sea without being observed.

What rubbish. It shows he was attempting to hide the eventual destination of the aircraft.

And let's face it, he did a pretty good job.

He wanted to hide the final destination alright, not commit suicide.

I agree with ENT on this particular point. We have to look at the bare facts.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Murdoch tweeted that the plane was probably in Pakistan.

Other public figures have expressed the same view, but you can't understand anything other than your no-brainer suicide theory because you're a clone working as a bean-counter for a US oil conglomerate in raghead land, so can't risk your job or reputation opposing the theory you've been directed to espouse and promote.

The fact that Inmarsat have given out a load of disinformation about MH 370's "known" position, showing only one arc in their diagrams of satellite "handshake" pings and giving a load of gobledegook about doppler effects, (but still only ONE marked possible position for MH 370, why not eight?). They produced pics of two nice arcs one in the northern hemisphere and one in the southern, claiming that they couldn't tell if the plane went north or south because the geostationary satellite used is on the equator!!!

Rubbish!
The satellite could tell if MH 370 was approaching or receding from the satellite, but conveniently, we've all been conned into thinking that the plane proceeded down along the southern arc, so why can't Inmarsat demonstrate clearly how they come to their conclusions.

It's no use saying "but it's all been explained". as no-one seems to understand Inmarsat's reasoning, and they're not bothering to clarify that sticking point.

No-one, from Tony Abbot across to Hishammuddin understands a word of Inmarsat's findings, they're simply goose-stepping to another agendum, and there's not going to be any further clarification from Inmarsat or anyone else for that matter, as to the locations of those final handshake pings.

Note also, that the search areas are nowhere near the arcs drawn by Inmarsat
Inmarsat know more than they're letting on and authorities in this case are happy to let confusion rule and divert attention away from searching elsewhere.

^ Might have something to do with all the countries it would have crossed to fly north saying that their air defense and radars would have seen it, and yet they didn't.

Or is that explained by the AWACS and invisible stealth tech?