Thread: Health Care Passes

Yes it is a lie and you know it. These people will have new, better plans and will see no interruption in care. Now one is falling for it boon.

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Paying more for less? Don't believe anyone's buying that, snubbs...



The Mandate will be delayed so they better come up with a distraction quickly!

8,000 Washington State Obamacare applicants about to get a nasty surprise.

Washington State has been one of the leaders in enrolling people in Obamacare exchange programs. They didn’t saddle themselves to the federal government’s failure of a website, and compared to most other states, they’ve been smoking hot in getting people to enroll.

But — uh, oh:

Another issue of questionable data was disclosed Friday afternoon by Washington State, which revealed that 8,000 enrollees and applicants on its state-run Obamacare marketplace were told they were eligible for higher tax credits to offset the cost of their insurance than they actually qualified for. Washington said that in some cases its exchanges was transmitting those applicants’ monthly incomes to the federal data hub — which verifies subsidy eligibility — as opposed to annual incomes, which resulted in the erroneously high subsidy calculations. The problem has since been fixed, and Washington is in the process of notifying all of the affected people to give them the correct tax credit amounts.

According to the state government, this doesn’t affect people who were enrolled in Medicaid.

So in short, a lot of people mistakenly thought they were getting free health care because of a computer error, when in fact they are probably going to have to pay the full Obamacare price, or at least a good chunk of it.

Is this part of the reason Washington was getting such good enrollment numbers?

Not Lies. Not Spam. Just The Facts, Ma'am

Let us know how this all works out for you, snubbs...

Update on the Democrats War on Women:

CBS Video: Obamacare Takes Away Woman’s Health Care Choices.

You know, it's starting to become a situation where there's actually anything positive to report about the Adorable Care Act unless it's the fact that all those illegal aliens will get 'free' health care.

Train Wreck Update:

ObamaCare: More policy cancellations in 3 states than enrollees in all 50.

Plus, the idea that Death Panels thing has been transformed from a paranoid fantasy of that redneck Sarah Palin to obviously a good idea that thinking people support!

The Twisted Morality of “Death Panels:” Breaking down Slate’s rationalization for letting government pick who lives and who dies.

After all, there's just so much available with a socialist health care system so we're sorry, you voted Republican and that procedure isn't available to you etc...

Double Face-Plant Time:

Sebelius: Republicans Are To Blame For The Obamacare Rollout

“We did not have the luxury of that with a law that said it’s go time on October 1st and frankly a political atmosphere where the majority party at least in the House was determined to stop this any way they possibly could including shutting down the United States government. So it was not an ideal atmosphere,” she said.





Just how in the hell could the shutdown, which started on the same frikkin' day as healthcare.gov going live, be responsible for these clowns not testing the site? Unreal...

"I Was All For Obamacare Until I Realized I Was Paying For It"!

Sticker shock hits the middle class…imagine that!

Thousands of Californians are discovering what Obamacare will cost them — and many don’t like what they see.

These middle-class consumers are staring at hefty increases on their insurance bills as the overhaul remakes the healthcare market. Their rates are rising in large part to help offset the higher costs of covering sicker, poorer people who have been shut out of the system for years.

Although recent criticism of the healthcare law has focused on website glitches and early enrollment snags, experts say sharp price increases for individual policies have the greatest potential to erode public support for President Obama’s signature legislation.

“This is when the actual sticker shock comes into play for people,” said Gerald Kominski, director of the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research. “There are winners and losers under the Affordable Care Act.”

Fullerton resident Jennifer Harris thought she had a great deal, paying $98 a month for an individual plan through Health Net Inc. She got a rude surprise this month when the company said it would cancel her policy at the end of this year. Her current plan does not conform with the new federal rules, which require more generous levels of coverage.

Now Harris, a self-employed lawyer, must shop for replacement insurance. The cheapest plan she has found will cost her $238 a month. She and her husband don’t qualify for federal premium subsidies because they earn too much money, about $80,000 a year combined.

“It doesn’t seem right to make the middle class pay so much more in order to give health insurance to everybody else,” said Harris, who is three months pregnant. “This increase is simply not affordable."

Well, you voted for him - suck it up...

Elections Have Consequences

Now Harris, a self-employed lawyer, must shop for replacement insurance. The cheapest plan she has found will cost her $238 a month. She and her husband don’t qualify for federal premium subsidies because they earn too much money, about $80,000 a year combined.

Quite pathetic that with an income of almost $7000 a month she's whinging about $238.

Must take a chunk out of the Starbucks bill.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Now Harris, a self-employed lawyer, must shop for replacement insurance. The cheapest plan she has found will cost her $238 a month. She and her husband don’t qualify for federal premium subsidies because they earn too much money, about $80,000 a year combined.

Quite pathetic that with an income of almost $7000 a month she's whinging about $238.

Must take a chunk out of the Starbucks bill.

Yes that is the reality of this. The right has been digging these loons up and pushing them in front of the camera or microphone without vetting them. This douchebag can whinge all she wants most people before Obama care paid more then $99 a month for a health plan. Shit I am single and I paid $165 a month and had a $10,000 a year deductible and she it trying to cover her husband as well. This bitch needs to be slapped around.

^ Certainly, her $98 a month insurance plan would not cover her upcoming childbirth.

Originally Posted by bsnub

This bitch needs to be slapped around.

Is that what Progressives do when they disagree with others?

Oh FFS booners is playing the diddums card!

Check this out. NBC News says Obama has known that millions of folks will lose their health insurance as a result of his Affordable Care Act since year 2010.

What a guy! In other words, while Obama was promising Americans over and over again they could “keep their plans if they liked them” he knew this was a lie and that close to 70% could be dumped by their carriers.

President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — the policy would not be grandfathered.

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”

That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.

Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance."

Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance - Investigations

Spin that, Libs!

Spin this too - how many countries force their citizens to buy something they don't want and then fine them if they don't agree?

Obama's America - transformed into a commie hellhole...

Well, the number of Americans who will lose their health insurance has reached 16 million and counting.



No, You Can't Keep It

Tell Me Lies, Tell Me Sweet Little Lies:

Here Are Four Times, During the 2012 Election Year, When Obama Promised that If You Like Your Healthcare, You Can Keep It.

This was, of course, known to be false by the Administration.


But what does it matter? Just Bumps In The Road and all that so shut up! You're Racist for opposing Obamacare!

Right...They told me if I voted for Mitt Romney, hardworking Americans would lose their healthcare coverage and they were right!

CBS NEWS: Obamacare: More than 2 million people getting booted from existing health insurance plans.

More False Promises:

“To say that President Obama is on the record telling Americans they can keep their current health insurance is an understatement. He repeated the assurance so many times during the health-care debate that it was almost a verbal tic. . . . Rarely has a major domestic program been sold on the basis of a premise so patently untrue.”

One might equate this to Voter Fraud, eh? One of the only reason the Messiah was re-elected was this broken record that played "If You Like You Health Care Plan & You Dr. You Can Keep Them"

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.

It also means that 40-67% of plans were shitty and couldn't meet the new standards.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance."

Yeah..
Here is what's wrong with that story about Obama knowing your health care policy would get cancelled

Oh, and this (not mine, obviously):

• Republicans (specifically, Dr. Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D., Distinguished Fellow and then-Director of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Public Policy Innovation, in a paper published on January 2, 1989 [when Ronald Reagan still had three weeks left in his Presidency, George Herbert Walker Bush was the President-Elect, and few Americans outside of Arkansas had even heard of Bill Clinton, let alone Hillary, yet, so his more recent attempts to claim that he did this in response to "HillaryCare" don't even mesh with basic chronology! Note also that that's when it was published, meaning it had to have been written before that, and thought up before that!]) created a national healthcare plan complete with an Individual Mandate. It was entitled "A National Health System for America."

• About ¾ of a year later, on October 2 of the same year, the day after George Herbert Walker Bush had just started his first Fiscal Year in office, it was re-published in expanded form as a full-fledged book entitled Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans.

• They pushed for this plan over the course of 2 decades, and they even supported this plan as late as 2008 (the Healthy Americans Act, aka the Wyden-Bennett bill).

•Then when the Democrats agreed to adopt this plan, the GOP suddenly (and at that point only) decided that the plan was unconstitutional and posed a grave threat to the nation. They sued in the supreme court but lost

• They ran a presidential candidate who opposed the Affordable Care Act )?

• Obama was re-elected with the Affordable Care Act being a centerpiece of the election.

Deciding that the Affordable Care Act was a serious threat to the nation, the GOP engineered a strategy of threatening a Government Shutdown to protest the Affordable Care Act. To pull this off:
• The Republicans strategized how to engineer the shutdown, and how to handle the spin.
• 80 members of congress signed a letter to force the shutdown.
• They said a shutdown would not be a bad thing.
• They celebrated when it happened.
• The House Republicans changed a long standing House Rule at the last minute to ensure the shutdown would stay in effect.
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All the while:
• They accused the Democrats and Obama of not negotiating, even though the democrats tried repeatedly to negotiate (19 times as of October 7).
• Which should not have been necessary since Harry Reid and John Boehner had a deal, that Boehner backed out of.
• And despite all of this, The Radical wing of the GOP will still blame Obama for the Shutdown.

Meanwhile:
• In 2001, the then-new GOP President and GOP Congress inherited a projected budget surplus and a projected elimination of the entire debt within 10 years.
• The GOP then passed a tax cut, waged an expensive war, and repeatedly voted to raise the debt ceiling with no demands on spending cuts (in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, and 2007).

Then, when a Democrat was in the White House:
• The GOP decided it was worth risking a default to place demands on spending cuts.
• Some Republicans are even calling for a default, forgetting that we did default, for just one day, in 1979, and it cost us billions.
• And ignoring what economists are saying would likely happen if we default.(The book cover photo is hotlinked. It may be better to simply link to its parent page. Do so especially on forums that don't allow images.)

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That's nice but he still lied, didn't he?

Only country in the World that fines its citizens for not buying this Train Wreck...

Confessions of a Left Wing Apparatchik.

Sue Klinkhamer used to work for congressman Bill Foster (D-IL). Her confession:

“I spent two years defending Obamacare. I had constituents scream at me, spit at me and call me names that I can’t put in print. The congressman was not re-elected in 2010 mainly because of the anti-Obamacare anger. When the congressman was not re-elected, I also (along with the rest of our staff) lost my job. I was upset that because of the health care issue, I didn’t have a job anymore but still defended Obamacare because it would make health care available to everyone at, what I assumed, would be an affordable price. I have now learned that I was wrong. Very wrong.”

Why the turnaround? It turns out that ObamaCare didn’t just crush someone else; it crushed her. As of September 1, her insurance was $291/month. As of January 1, it will be $647 per month.

Big Government isn’t so fun when its shoe is on your own face, is it Sue?
Yet she is still a Democrat, and declares that she believes “in healthcare for all,” presumably financed by threats from the IRS...

As a liberal spinmeister, Kirsten Powers tries hard not to tell the truth, but sometimes she can’t keep it down. Despite her long support for the ObamaCare fiasco, here she admits that her premiums will almost double and that the Regime lied about what this train wreck will do to America:



Even the moonbats over on MSNBC are getting it too...

No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans"…due to changes mandated by Obamacare. Don’t you love a good circular argument?

But it gets worse...

Are these people really that stupid?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

But it gets worse...

That was debunked in the FIRST link of post 1443

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

But it gets worse...

That was debunked in the FIRST link of post 1443

No it wasn't.

Obama lied. Over and over. His lackeys lied, over and over. The White House knew that you could not keep your plan, even if you like your plan and willingly pay for it each month. Notice a pattern?

What's your definition of 'shitty'? A plan say for a 65 year old woman to manditorily have pre-natal care?

^ The last five of six posts have been boontard spam. Enough is enough with this garbage.