Thread: U.S. v. Libby

Ahs beena watchin' thisn' discussulmulcatin fer quit a gud trawl ne'a an' ah b'lieve somethin' need sayin' hen't been sed yet. That is whut, there-unta pertainin' hent ought be nobody in ner near the gub'mint with a name like 'Scooter'. I wen't to cyphrin scheul with a boy what wanted callin' 'Scooter' an' whall he wrote him couple them bad checks (see whut all that lernin' got'im?) went up the river fer about 6 months and come out with a whole new perspective an' a husband.

Ne'a ah don't mean dispariagin' all the 'Scooters' out there, but 100% of the 'Scooters' ah know hent got no hair on their chest ner their nether regions henether.

That said his Paw, G. Gordon is a perty tuff feller an' maybe it'uz him whut give that name to his boy in much the same whay Johnny Cash gett'n named Sue did. Cain't fer the life'o me say fr'sure, but this 'Scooter' looks a little mamby pamby.

Ah ree'leyes the Man in Black was whut the' call fictitionalizatin' which y'know is ok as we got that artistic licence an' whatnot -- which ah s'pport - ah do'nt support that there Maplethorp stickin' a bull whip in whut really ought be an exit only ramp, but ya gawdda take the bad with'n the good.

i have no doubt that you've made some interesting points sheriff, but i just can't be asked to read it....it took me about 30 secs. to read the first two sentences.

so, back to the trial....

WASHINGTON - Former New York Times reporter Judith Miller is scheduled to be called as a witness Tuesday, as the perjury and obstruction trial of Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby headed into its second week of testimony.

On June 23, 2003 at a meeting with Libby in his office at the Old Executive Office Building, Libby, according to prosecutors, talked to Miller about press coverage dealing with pre-war intelligence about Iraq. Libby, according to the government, complained to Miller that he thought the CIA was leaking to the press unfairly, putting the White House on the defensive.During the course of that conversation, he mentioned that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA.

is there anyone in washington that libby didn't out an undercover CIA agent to?

Miller expected to testify at Libby trial - Politics - MSNBC.com

here's somebody else libby blabbed to....

Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper, who is expected to appear as a witness Wednesday in the trial of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, is expected to testify that he was advised by Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, on July 12, 2003, that Libby had heard that other reporters were saying that former ambassador Joseph Wilson's wife worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. Libby, according to prosecutors, further told Cooper that he did not know if the assertion was true.
Libby's assertion that he was told about Valerie Wilson Plame's identity from reporters runs counter to testimony from a State Department official, Marc Grossman, and a CIA official, Robert Grenier, that they told Libby weeks earlier that Plame worked at the CIA.

Time magazine reporter due to testify - Politics - MSNBC.com

attaboy seems to gone into hiding

DC is full of gossip and rumours. It's what people do there. You can't leak something that is common knowledge. Why don't you grab a shovel and build a timeline and see what happened when? Come on ray. Put your shoulder into it. Do something other than gripe. That's a good boy. You're coming off as some sort of parrotchicken with your cut and pastes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102900242.html

so when the vice president's chief of staff outs an undercover CIA operative to the press (it was not 'common knowledge') because her husband was criticizing the manipulation of pre-war intelligence....according to attaboy, it's gossip and rumor. there used to be another word for it...treason.

and surasak, as far as this not being an important story is concerned, i wholeheartedly disagree.

wilson stood up the white house and called their bluff....and they attacked him and his wife.....even though she was an undercover CIA agent. this didn't go unnoticed in the intelligence community, and most certainly stopped others from speaking out against the cherry picking that was going on at the white house and the pentagon.

if libby is allowed to go unpunished, the bush white house (and others in the future) will assume that they can act with impunity.

but maybe i'm just overreacting and this is just 'gossip and rumor'....it's just a parlor game in DC.....who cares about the trillion $ in lost treasure, 3000 dead american kids, tens of thousands of dead iraqis, etc...

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

What about local people she has dealt with in the places her husband has worked before - certainly they could now risk being accused of espionage by their governments (rightfully or not) and face rather serious consequences?

EXACTLY!

and anyone who dealt with her while she was doing her job (and if i'm not mistaken she worked on iranian issues) is now highly suspect....and this is at the very same time when the president is rattling sabres with iran.

but i suppose it's just no big deal......a parlor game for people in washington.

just gossip and rumors that everyone knew anyway....right attaboy?

Once again you cut and paste like a parrot. The c&p'd timeline is a start. Now fold in when Armitage and Ari Flischer and all the media people spoke of her. No one is charged with leaking. Parrotchicken.

Originally Posted by attaboy

Ari Flischer and all the media people spoke of her.

FACT:

libby told press secretary fleischer....in their only lengthy conversation
libby told NY times reporter miller.
libby also told time magazine reporter cooper.

but you probably don't hear much of that on foxnews.

Originally Posted by raycarey

i have no doubt that you've made some interesting points sheriff, but i just can't be asked to read it....it took me about 30 secs. to read the first two sentences.

'precinate them kin'werds. The Sheriff kent hardly read so'z writin' don'cum ez nether. That sed ah feyl mah voice need be heard. A few issues ah bean perkilatin on lately:

1. Dick Cheney: Vampire?
2. Gub'mint monitoring my thoughts?
3. That thang in'a back'o my fridge?
4. Anna Nicole Smith: real or fake?


The Sheriff whall be kepin' an eye on y'uns.

much obliged, sheriff.

maybe this will help attaboy and earl

Fitzgerald said that Libby learned Plame's identity from his boss, Vice President Dick Cheney and discussed it with journalists. Libby says he forgot about his conversation with Cheney and, when he heard about Plame from NBC reporter Tim Russert weeks later, it struck him as new information. Fitzgerald says Libby concocted that story to protect himself from prosecution because repeating rumors from reporters is less serious than repeating sensitive information from Cheney.
............
Russert is scheduled to be Fitzgerald's last witness, most likely late Tuesday.

Tapes of Libby testimony to be released - Yahoo! News

libby's in trouble.

At this point, with reams of evidence in the case still hidden from public view, it is impossible to say much of anything for sure. And there may in fact be irrefutable evidence that Valerie Wilson "was a person whose identity the CIA was making specific efforts to conceal and who had carried out covert work overseas within the last five years." But if there is, Patrick Fitzgerald hasn't shown it yet

So if a crime was committed wouldn't evidence to support said crime be needed???
Why is Patrick Fitzgerald concealing the evidence?
Could it be that there isn't any?

linky

oh the fucking OWNAGE

Would Dick Cheney become collateral damage ?

^still no evidence a crime was committed!

perjury is a crime....and coincidentally it's what libby is charged with.

^The question of whether or not Valerie Plame was in fact an undercover CIA operative is real issue and the underlying crime. If no evidence exists to show her status then the whole perjury issue is moot.

she was undercover and apparently tracking WMD to and from iran. ironic huh?

Plame affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and has already been mentioned on this thread....once libby blabbed her name to at least three reporters and they reported it, her name was entered into foreign intelligence service databases of practically every country on the planet.

her husband was a diplomat, and every person she came into contact with became a suspect in the eyes of their governments.
people who provided or were providing intelligence to the US were now at greater risk.

and why did the white house do it? because her husband wrote an op-ed piece which called their bluff. and we now know that wilson was right and that cheney and libby were wrong.

and no crime was committed?

earl, for someone who constantly wraps himself in the flag, you don't seem too concerned about national security.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

^The question of whether or not Valerie Plame was in fact an undercover CIA operative is real issue and the underlying crime. If no evidence exists to show her status then the whole perjury issue is moot.

This is NOT the question.


She was an undercover agent for the CIA.

the point, which seems to be escaping the likes of earl and attaboy is that the justice department appointed fitzgerald to investigate how a CIA officer's identity was revealed in the media. can we not agree that this is a serious issue....especially during what the white house calls, 'a time of war'.

and during the investigation, fitzgerald believes libby lied to him.

why shouldn't he prosecute?

^ still no one has testified that Plame was "outed" by Libby or anyone else.
Perhaps she was at one time an undercover operative but that doesn't seem to have been her status during the time frame in question.
To convict Libby evidence that a crime was committed has to be forthcoming.
So far Fitzgerald is blowing luke warm air.

In a topic as highly contested as this I think quoting from wiki is proof of nothing. Anyone can edit wiki at anytime. When I argued this topic last year there was no proof she was a "secret agent". Now in the link provoded by Mr Earl we see that the prosecutor is withholding evidence which could clear the argument up. And he has not charged anyone with leaking. This leads to believe she was not a "secret agent".

you're being deliberately obtuse, right?

fitzgerald was investigating a crime--the outing of a CIA officer---and he believes libby lied to him during that investigation....libby claims he 'forgot'.

lying under oath is a crime. forgetting is not. we'll see what the jury decides.


btw, why haven't earl or attaboy addressed the fact that libby admits to telling at least 3 reporters about plame?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Perhaps she was at one time an undercover operative but that doesn't seem to have been her status during the time frame in question.

This has already been proven.

Did you see my post above ^