Does the US media have a liberal bias?

**Mr Earl** · 31-12-2006, 07:14 PM

^why should an obvious america hater like Chomsky have any significant platform in the USA? He does get plenty of airtime on NPR BTW! I think his books are sold and in the libraries too. He's make a good living off his leftist extremism.
I wonder if Bill O'reilly would have similar opportunity in Venezuela or Cuba!

People like Chomsky and Michael Moore are laughing all the way to the bank peddling their disingenuous marxist rhetoric. It's happens only in america the place they hate so much!

As far as liberal bias in the media it's no secret the majority of news people are liberals.

David Gregory, Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, Hellen Thomas, Wolf Blitzer, the crew at CNN just to name a few. Or how about the entire staff of the NYT!
Slanted? No question about it.
Perhaps if you watched CNN when they were announcing the 2004 election results. On air their extreme disappointment was very palpable.
The only real counterbalance is Fox News. And oh how the liberals cry and moan about fox news and venomously denigrate and insult anyone who watches.
Mean spirited? Perhaps.

For liberals freedom of speech seems to only count if they like what they are hearing!

**stroller** · 31-12-2006, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

People like Chomsky and Michael Moore are laughing all the way to the bank peddling their disingenuous marxist rhetoric.

Neither Chomsky nor Michael Moore are marxists. You need to do your homework before you make accusations, or you will continue to make a fool of yourself again and again.

**raycarey** · 31-12-2006, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

And oh how the liberals cry and moan about fox news and venomously denigrate and insult anyone who watches.

people who watch fox news deserve to be denigrated and insulted.

**Mr Earl** · 01-01-2007, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

People like Chomsky and Michael Moore are laughing all the way to the bank peddling their disingenuous marxist rhetoric.

Neither Chomsky nor Michael Moore are marxists. You need to do your homework before you make accusations, or you will continue to make a fool of yourself again and again.

Maybe you are the one who needs to do your research!
I've read enough of both Chomsky and Moore to see how their philosophies are indeed influenced by Karl Marx.
They don't come right out and proclaim Marxism but it is without a doubt part of their underlying beliefs.

**Butterfly** · 01-01-2007, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

people who watch fox news deserve to be denigrated and insulted.

That's a bit harsh, how about burning them alive or put them into death camps ?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I've read enough of both Chomsky and Moore to see how their philosophies are indeed influenced by Karl Marx.

You have no idea what Karl Marx is, you don't have the brain power to understand his work, let alone Chomsky or even Moore the clown.

**Mr Earl** · 01-01-2007, 10:31 PM

^ I have a pretty good idea what Karl Marx is all about.
But it's pretty useless to hope to have an intelligent discussion if your idea of discourse is hurling insults.

**man with no head** · 01-01-2007, 10:46 PM

There's very little if any similarity between the classic definition of Marxism and the beliefs of Chomsky (Marxism allows for a dictatorship of the working class while such an organ in Chomsky's beliefs would in fact be democratic, as one such major difference in philosophy).

**stroller** · 01-01-2007, 10:50 PM

M.M. is close to the Democrats, Chomsky a Libertarian Socialist, little similarities to Marxism, if any.

Get your terms right, if you must use any, or don't be surprised when your simplistic focks-news rhetoric gets ridiculed, Earl.

**Agent_Smith** · 03-01-2007, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

For liberals freedom of speech seems to only count if they like what they are hearing

Ha Ha! The pot calling the kettle black. Gotta love the hypocrisy of the far right neocons. Actually both extremes of the political spectrum feel this way about freedom of speech. God save us from the True Believers.

**RDN** · 03-01-2007, 07:55 PM

Oh well, another thread down the pan. It was good until post 27 when the insults started flowing.

**lom** · 03-01-2007, 08:37 PM

^ 27, that must be some kind of a record

**stroller** · 03-01-2007, 08:43 PM

And it was one of my posts!

**raycarey** · 03-01-2007, 10:53 PM

hold on there bub.......in post 28 i dared criticize fox news viewers, so my guess is that i hurt RDN's delicate sensibilites and he's referring to me.

**RDN** · 04-01-2007, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by lom

^ 27, that must be some kind of a record

Exactly! It was a real good read and then....

**RDN** · 04-01-2007, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

And it was one of my posts!

Well, now you come to mention it... are you stalking Mr Earl by any chance?

**RDN** · 04-01-2007, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

hold on there bub.......in post 28 i dared criticize fox news viewers, so my guess is that i hurt RDN's delicate sensibilites and he's referring to me.

Sorry - not referring to you. My sensibilities (with 4 i's) intact. Spelling too.

**stroller** · 04-01-2007, 10:04 AM

My post #27:

Neither Chomsky nor Michael Moore are marxists. You need to do your homework before you make accusations, or you will continue to make a fool of yourself again and again.

Where is the insult?

**farmerfloyd** · 04-01-2007, 10:12 AM

Did I not just read that Fox has taken over NO. 1 in USA for news, with all the leftes on most all other news.. Funny . But they have not had to recant and apologize like CNN, and fire several reporters along with New York Times. ( very slanted)

**Mr Earl** · 04-01-2007, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

M.M. is close to the Democrats, Chomsky a Libertarian Socialist, little similarities to Marxism, if any.

Get your terms right, if you must use any, or don't be surprised when your simplistic focks-news rhetoric gets ridiculed, Earl.

From the little bit of ponderous rhetoric I've read by Chomsky he indeed supports state run industry and social welfare. Although he meanders around significantly in his observations to make it difficult to really pin him down as a communist but in effect that is the system he embraces by harping on all the inadequacies of the system of free enterprise governed by a democratic republic.
Chomsky harps about how the US embargo is responsible for the crumbled economy of Cuba. But he fails to note that it was Castro and company who went about seizing private companies and assets which lead the the embargo in the first place.
The genius of Chomsky and MM is how they masterfully disguise their fundamental marxist beliefs so that the average liberal ape can swallow it not really understanding what it really means.

**stroller** · 04-01-2007, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

From the little bit of ponderous rhetoric I've read by Chomsky he indeed supports state run industry and social welfare.

That is not Marxism. It's proposed by various brands of socialism, including some of the moderate ones.
I don't think neither Chomsky nor Moore are trying to 'disguise' what they think, both are pretty outspoken.

I also don't think they are comparable, neither in direction, nor the calibre of their thinking.

It does appear to be you who doesn't really understand, not the "average liberal ape".

I suspect you might be a 'victim' of media bias on part of wherever you get your ideas about Chomsky and MM from.

**Butterfly** · 04-01-2007, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

he indeed supports state run industry and social welfare.

It's called evolution and it will be the only future we have when Capitalism falls miserably in a decade or two.

**Mr Earl** · 04-01-2007, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

he indeed supports state run industry and social welfare.

It's called evolution and it will be the only future we have when Capitalism falls miserably in a decade or two.

Marxism in nut shell:

The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society.

I may be wrong but this "evolution" of Chomsky seems very similar to Marx and Engels "inevitable development".
To me if it walks like a duck...well you know it very is likely to be a duck.
Chomsky sounds a lot like Marx and Engels.

I've read one of MMs books as well and the Marxist shoe fit him as well though he come off as more of a joke in his movies like Roger and me and books like "dude where's my country". He is clearly anti american, anti free enterprise and anti democratic republic. Sounds like Marx and Engels to me.

**stroller** · 04-01-2007, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I may be wrong but this "evolution" of Chomsky seems very similar to Marx and Engels "inevitable development".

I'd say you are, according to Marx and Engels, this inevitable 'development' was to happen in form of a revolution let by the communist avantgarde, and lead to the dictatorship of the proletariat (they called this interim stage 'socialism'). - that's also in a nutshell.

It should be clear now, that this is different from both Chomsky and Moore. As I mentioned, there are numerous other, non-Marxist brands of Socialism, ranging from the co-operative movement which originated in Britain in the 19th century, to the modern regulated capitalist welfare state which has been popular in Europe.

Chomsky is more of a radical, "Libertarian Socialist" is an apt term for what he stands for - it's closer to anarchism than Marxism.
Moore I don't really know what to call him, I haven't taken enough interest, he's overrated IMO.

I hope this has shed some light, however off-topic for this thread.

**Mr Earl** · 04-01-2007, 08:11 PM

^Moore when confronted with his distortions and lies claims to be a comedian. And indeed he is a joke.

Chomsky is clearly an "evolution" of Marx and Engels.( the grand daddies of communism)
This so called "evolution" is indeed a "revolution" of the same communist vein. Chomsky is a clever intellectual who dresses it up differently. But underneath it's the same tired old horse from what I've read and heard from him.

**Mr Earl** · 04-01-2007, 08:18 PM

^A true anarchist doesn't advocate any state rule or ownership. That's why I think Chomsky is communist.

I'll continue to read some of his stuff, but I have yet to be convinced.

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